Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

Tombstone · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:43

dowie said:
Some of you guys have watched Bald and Bankrupt's youtube videos, he doesn't seem to have posted one but he is in Ukraine still with his buddy/fellow youtuber Johnny (sadly Johnny seems to have been in denial about the risk of Russia invading up until yesterday).

Yeah Bald is still in Kyiv, he posted 6 hours ago to say that despite what the news is saying he hasnt seen or heard any troops in/attacking Kyiv. His last post was an hour ago, still in Kyiv.

Nelly · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:44

Well latest news flooding all the main channels is....

Reuters said:
Russia is ready to send a delegation to the Belarusian capital Minsk for talks with Ukraine, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Friday, a day after Moscow launched a massive invasion of its southern neighbour.

Peskov told Russian news agencies Russia was willing to send a delegation including foreign and defence ministry officials.

Ukraine has said it is willing to discuss declaring itself a neutral county. Peskov said demilitarisation would need to be an essential part of that.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...minsk-talks-with-ukraine-agencies-2022-02-25/

JBeck · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:45

kindai said:
Is that good or bad for Ukraine, I heard something they were fighting alongside them earlier?

They hate the Russians so in that respect good for Ukraine, they are also animals of the worst kind and I wouldn't want them roaming around my country doing their own thing, but needs must, I suppose.

potatolord · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:46

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
You would think Russia would have learnt from what happened in Afghanistan when they were last there. Unless the population wants you there its impossible to hold such a huge country like Ukraine. It seems like a military disaster waiting to happen in the longterm.

They probably have learned.

To be fair, Ukraine and Afghanistan are not comparable in many ways. Ukraine is mostly flat as a pancake, for example.

inogen · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:48

Entai said:
Just get to a point where Ukranian government knows it is over, and gives in.

Depends how this plays out but I can't see the Ukrainian government giving in, nor the Ukrainians wanting the government to give in. I think that's one of the reasons the Russians want to capture/kill them.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:50

potatolord said:
They probably have learned.

To be fair, Ukraine and Afghanistan are not comparable in many ways. Ukraine is mostly flat as a pancake, for example.

True,but more the fact you can't hold any country if the population does not want you there. So I am not seeing how Russia can hold places like Kyiv for example? I think Putin hasn't realised the ship has sailed many years ago.

CaptainRAVE · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:50

Nelly said:
Well latest news flooding all the main channels is....
Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...minsk-talks-with-ukraine-agencies-2022-02-25/

Clever, keep them talking while you install a puppet government (realising they’ll never hold the country with their own forces), gain ridiculous terms in the face of a destroyed Ukraine, the world congratulates Russia and we all carry on as normal.

arknor · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:50

Tombstone said:
Yeah Bald is still in Kyiv, he posted 6 hours ago to say that despite what the news is saying he hasnt seen or heard any troops in/attacking Kyiv. His last post was an hour ago, still in Kyiv.

Some twitch streamer was driving around earlier trying to find petrol and you could hear gunshots in the background.
He's probably in the wrong part, google says the city is 839 km²

unless he's near the suburbs he won't hear much

Tombstone · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:51

Lmg80 said:
My immediate thoughts when Chernobyl was taken was Collier (spelling) who features a few times in his videos.

Yeah I did wonder about that myself, not the first time he's seen troops go past him in his long and experienced life but I did wonder how he is doing.

Twinz · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:51

Doobedoo said:
Some or a lot of that maybe true but that’s up to them. Our brand of democracy hasn’t worked out well for those we’ve tried to force it upon.

Would I like to live in Russia? Not really anytime soon but I’m sure that’s true for our country too. Not many Russians seeking a home here is their?

Ultimately it’s about perspective. We are no haven or beacon of truth and all things pure. We have a complete moron as a prime minister as did America with Trump.

We use propaganda, we also engage in Cyber warfare, we have and do kill innocent civilians, we’ve occupied foreign land illegally and under false pretences.

Im all for condemning the actions of Putin but let’s do it from all encompassing lens. Not the narrow angle portrayed by our media/governance. Honestly if you listen to our media for even a few minutes,you can clearly here how the narrative is being shaped rather than reported.

Totalitarian regimes build walls to keep their citizens inside. (Berlin wall)

When democracies build walls around their countries, it's to try to control the influx of people flocking to their country.

Tombstone · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:53

arknor said:
Some twitch streamer was driving around earlier trying to find petrol and you could hear gunshots in the background.
He's probably in the wrong part, google says the city is 839 km²

unless he's near the suburbs he won't hear much

He is bang in the centre, right at the statue in the online stream here. He does make a point in his video of saying that he has been told there is fighting to the north of the city but he hasnt heard any sounds of it as yet but that he is in the centre so that could be why. Johnny is still with him (for those who follow Bald)

englishpremier · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:53

ltron said:
Agreed, although I'm not an expert, but this weak response by letting a democracy fall to an evil dictator is only going to bite us harder in the future. We will have no choice but to respond militarily nuclear war or not if he attacks a NATO country and there is a decent chance Finland and Sweden will now become NATO members which escalates the situation.

Why would Sweden need to join with it being sandwiched between Finland and Norway with no land boarder with Russia?

Sankari said:
But Kiev is the capital. Hard for Ukraine to recover from that kind of loss.

Always found it strange that in some countries everything is concentrated around the Capital, like in the UK, yet in others government, judiciary, financial etc.. are spread around the country.

delta0 said:
Moldovan ship hit now. Would be interesting if they get dragged into this. Could flush out the Russians on their border.

What is going on there, are Russians ships just shooting at anything they see.

Minusorange · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:53

kindai said:
Is that good or bad for Ukraine, I heard something they were fighting alongside them earlier?

Bad for Ukrainian soldiers, they don't take prisoners, they take victims

Doobedoo · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:54

Twinz said:
Totalitarian regimes build walls to keep their citizens inside. (Berlin wall)

When democracies build walls around their countries, it's to try to control the influx of people flocking to their country.

Some walls are physical some are metaphorical perhaps, maybe some walls are merely a prison for your mind? Who knows, the world is a different place now.

dowie · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:56

Lets hope the Ukrainian president doesn't negotiate/ignores Russia for the moment... remember what happened to the Chechen leader, could easily be a trap:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev#Death_and_legacy

On 21 April 1996, while using a satellite phone, Dudayev was assassinated by two laser-guided missiles, after his location was detected by a Russian reconnaissance aircraft, which intercepted his phone call.[15] At the time, Dudayev was reportedly talking to a liberal deputy of the Duma in Moscow, supposedly Konstantin Borovoy.[16] Additional aircraft were dispatched (a Su-24MR and a Su-25) to locate Dudayev and fire a guided missile.

inogen · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:57

CaptainRAVE said:
Clever, keep them talking while you install a puppet government

Yeah, that's their plan. They'll have no intention of trying to hold Ukraine any longer than it takes to install a new government and subdue resistance to it. Thus why capturing or killing the current government is objective 1.

And yes.

dowie said:
Lets hope the Ukrainian president doesn't negotiate/ignores Russia for the moment... remember what happened to the Chechen leader, could easily be a trap:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev#Death_and_legacy

Amnesia · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:59

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
True,but more the fact you can't hold any country if the population does not want you there. So I am not seeing how Russia can hold places like Kyiv for example? I think Putin hasn't realised the ship has sailed many years ago.

and why cant he just install a puppet government and get Ukraine to do what he wants ?

Firestar_3x · 25 Feb 2022 at 13:59

4 Ukrainian jets over Poland, are they fleeing?

potatolord · 25 Feb 2022 at 14:00

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
True,but more the fact you can't hold any country if the population does not want you there. So I am not seeing how Russia can hold places like Kyiv for example? I think Putin hasn't realised the ship has sailed many years ago.

I guess it depends on Putin's objective. Once Kiev falls, they could pull back to hold other areas and free Western Ukraine as part of a negotiated settlement (albeit negotiated at gunpoint).

If you want to stuff a chicken, you must first cut off its head*

* From a very old Judge Dredd story, involving a SovBlok invasion, funnily enough

inogen · 25 Feb 2022 at 14:01

Amnesia said:
and why cant he just install a puppet government and get Ukraine to do what he wants ?

Well this will be easier said than done. Especially if support for the current government is as high as it looks like it is.

This won't be like Iraq or somewhere where most of the people are glad to see the back of what's already there.

The Russians will want to make an example of the current govt and try to instil the idea that resistance is futile. They can't get what they want any other way.

This isn't going to go away overnight. Even if Russia manage to install a government that lasts, so long as it does, there will be fighting over it and the possibility of it spilling over.