Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Rroff]

Russia doesn't have any way to match sanctions "blow for blow".

But the more effective sanctions also have an impact the other way to implement such as cutting off gas and there is going to be a lot of impact from separating entangled interests with some people and companies much more hit by it than others, etc. Russian money and interests are everywhere.

To keep the pressure up on Russia is going to mean much more widespread sanctions, etc. ongoing and some of that is going to be felt the other way - and we need to be smart about that.

 

[englishpremier]

That's why the proceeds of crime laws and the new one are worded such that it doesn't have to be in someone's name - complicated structures are irrelevant if they can find even the slimmest evidence that the sanctioned person or their family are the main beneficiary if such an arrangement, and they can't rent out or sell the property until they declare who the beneficiary is (which can't be a company name)

In which country? Also don't forget the wealthy (especially with ill-gotten gains) will buy a home or yacht and instantly get an equity line of credit on it at super low rates for as much as they can, then take the cash and put it elsewhere.

 

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*Kremlin Spokesman: The Aim of Russia’s Operation Is Not to Occupy Ukraine. – TASS.
*Kremlin Spokesman Peskov: The Main Goal of Russia’s Military in Mariupol Is to Clean Out Nationalist Units – TASS.

*Kremlin Spokesman Peskov: Russia Would Only Use Nuclear Weapons If Its Very Existence Were Threatened – TASS
https://twitter.com/LavenderNRed/status/1506339801112494082

*The United Kingdom and the United States Understand the Need for a Wise, Sustainable Trade Strategy. – Source.
*US Trade Representative Tai: Important Conversations on Trade Are Starting Between the US & UK.
*The US-UK Steel Trade Agreement Is to Be Announced on Tuesday, and Will Allow About 500,000 Metric Tons of British ‘Melted and Poured’ Steel into the US Duty-Free Annually – Sources.
*US Trade Representative Tai: The US & UK Will Continue to Build on the Momentum of US-UK Trade Talks in the Next Weeks and Months
*British Trade Secretary Trevelyan: Next Round of U.S.-UK Talks Will Take Place in Scotland in April
*Britain Will Not Participate in US-EU Talks to Reduce the Carbon Intensity of Global Steel Production. – Sources Familiar with the Matter.

*US Senate Majority Leader Schumer: The Russia Trade Measure Should Be Passed This Week.

 

[arknor]

One of the things I think western governments are going to have to get to grips with is fab plants. There needs to be some fab in western europe (there used to be some in what was east germany but i think its gone now)

Intels building fabs, they were planning to even before the war, they are building more in the USA as well, so the west isn't so reliant on Taiwan

SANTA CLARA, Calif., March 15, 2022 – Intel today announced the first phase of its plans to invest as much as 80 billion euros in the European Union over the next decade along the entire semiconductor value chain – from research and development (R&D) to manufacturing to state-of-the art packaging technologies. Today’s announcement includes plans to invest an initial 17 billion euros into a leading-edge semiconductor fab mega-site in Germany, to create a new R&D and design hub in France, and to invest in R&D, manufacturing and foundry services in Ireland, Italy, Poland and Spain. With this landmark investment, Intel plans to bring its most advanced technology to Europe, creating a next-generation European chip ecosystem and addressing the need for a more balanced and resilient supply chain.

UK was to cheap to bid on getting a plant as always, it would rather give money to tory friends etc than throw a couple of billion in incentives. unless it's amazon, apple, starbucks etc not paying their tax bills and wanting as discount

 

[steve_c]

*Kremlin Spokesman Peskov: Russia Would Only Use Nuclear Weapons If Its Very Existence Were Threatened – TASS
https://twitter.com/LavenderNRed/status/1506339801112494082

On first read that sounds slightly reassuring. On a re-read, not so much!

Russia is doing all it can to threaten its own existence.

 

[Twinz]

[="Rilot, post: 35514268, member: 735"]There was a German WW2 general (I forget who) who said something along the lines of: “A good soldier always knows when he should surrender. That way he can live in to kill his enemy another day”.[/QUOTE]

You could always just telagraph to your enemy that they are better off fighting you until the bitter end and see how many of your own soldiers the enemy takes with them on their way to hell.

If your goal is to *win*, getting your enemy to surrender is usually more efficient then killing every single one of them.

Heck in this case, just pushing them back toward Russia would reduce the enemy's logistic problems as it would shorten their supply lines.

Better to have them aurrender in place.

 

[Minusorange]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1506335351673085961

I'd like to petition the mods for a clown face smiley

 

[LOAM]

*Kremlin Spokesman Peskov: Russia Would Only Use Nuclear Weapons If Its Very Existence Were Threatened – TASS
https://twitter.com/LavenderNRed/status/1506339801112494082

See to me that says we can go kick them out of Ukraine or at least give them 48 hours to get out or else. Just make it clear it's about liberating Ukraine and not about invading Russia.

 

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*The United Kingdom and the United States Understand the Need for a Wise, Sustainable Trade Strategy. – Source.
*US Trade Representative Tai: Important Conversations on Trade Are Starting Between the US & UK.
*The US-UK Steel Trade Agreement Is to Be Announced on Tuesday, and Will Allow About 500,000 Metric Tons of British ‘Melted and Poured’ Steel into the US Duty-Free Annually – Sources.
*US Trade Representative Tai: The US & UK Will Continue to Build on the Momentum of US-UK Trade Talks in the Next Weeks and Months
*British Trade Secretary Trevelyan: Next Round of U.S.-UK Talks Will Take Place in Scotland in April
*Britain Will Not Participate in US-EU Talks to Reduce the Carbon Intensity of Global Steel Production. – Sources Familiar with the Matter.

*British Trade Secretary Trevelyan: U.S., U.K. Discussing How to Work to Defeat Putin
*Due to Its Ownership by China’s Jingye Company, the US-UK Steel Deal Requires Annual Audits of British Steel. – Sources
*US Trade Representative Tai: The United States and the United Kingdom Must Think Imaginatively About How to Strengthen Commercial Ties.
*UK Trade Rep.: The US & UK Steel Tariffs Are Progressing Well.
*UK Trade Rep.: The UK Is Working Closely with the US and the EU on Russia Sanctions.
*British Trade Sec. Trevelyan: The UK Absolutely Stands Ready to Pull Together a Free Trade Agreement.
*US Trade Representative Tai: The Trade Deal May Not Be Best Approach to the UK, Free Trade Agreement Is a Very 20th Century Tool.

*Putin Spoke by Phone with France’s Macron, During Which They Addressed the Russia-Ukraine Discussions. – IFX.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...sed-russia-ukraine-talks-interfax-2022-03-22/

~sorry for some offtopic

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Intels building fabs, they were planning to even before the war, they are building more in the USA as well, so the west isn't so reliant on Taiwan



UK was to cheap to bid on getting a plant as always, it would rather give money to tory friends etc than throw a couple of billion in incentives. unless it's amazon, apple, starbucks etc not paying their tax bills and wanting as discount

Thanks, I can worry less about that aspect then
Although I suppose they would end up as high priority targets should it ever come to that

 

[NickK]

*Kremlin Spokesman Peskov: Russia Would Only Use Nuclear Weapons If Its Very Existence Were Threatened – TASS
https://twitter.com/LavenderNRed/status/150633980111249408

Hmm is that a signal - we're happy to shoot Putin before we get to the use of nuclear weapons? As russia can exist without Putin or the United Russia party..

It could also be a line for Poland if they think they will shoot some stuff back given Putin's false flagging, also perhaps a point to the internal areas wanting independence?

 

[Minusorange]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1506340586705596419

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1506255840440983558

What an odius man he is

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

[="Rilot, post: 35514268, member: 735"]There was a German WW2 general (I forget who) who said something along the lines of: “A good soldier always knows when he should surrender. That way he can live in to kill his enemy another day”.

You could always just telagraph to your enemy that they are better off fighting you until the bitter end and see how many of your own soldiers the enemy takes with them on their way to hell.

If your goal is to *win*, getting your enemy to surrender is usually more efficient then killing every single one of them.

Heck in this case, just pushing them back toward Russia would reduce the enemy's logistic problems as it would shorten their supply lines.

Better to have them aurrender in place.[/QUOTE]

Its why its far better to seriously wound the enemy than to kill them outright.
They have the logistical issues to deal with many badly wounded plus the negative issue when they go home with the domestic audience.

IIRC it was the swiss who were trying to reduce the lethalness of their bullets.

 

[NickK]

You could always just telagraph to your enemy that they are better off fighting you until the bitter end and see how many of your own soldiers the enemy takes with them on their way to hell.

If your goal is to *win*, getting your enemy to surrender is usually more efficient then killing every single one of them.

Heck in this case, just pushing them back toward Russia would reduce the enemy's logistic problems as it would shorten their supply lines.

It also puts those lines in range of attacks and with a more regular reload.

 

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*Ukraine’s President Zelensky Will Take Part Virtually in the NATO Summit Later This Week, Details Are to Be Worked Out, Interfax Ukraine Cites Press Aide.
*Abu Dhabi Crown Prince: The UAE Is Keen on Energy Security, Stability and Balance of Energy Markets – State News Agency.
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/816935.html
https://www.reuters.com/world/abu-d...y-security-global-markets-balance-2022-03-22/

 

[Chojin]

*Kremlin Spokesman Peskov: Russia Would Only Use Nuclear Weapons If Its Very Existence Were Threatened – TASS
https://twitter.com/LavenderNRed/status/1506339801112494082

The Russians are not exactly known for tit for tat so who knows what they will do.

But the more you look at Russia's moves in the past few years, the more they want to intimidate and potentially use them e.g. 2018 presentation on new nuclear weapons.

If they launched a nuclear-powered missile and flew it around the Atlantic ocean for a few days I wonder how the West would respond.

 

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*White House Adviser Deese: On the Russian Cybersecurity Threat, I Haven’t Seen Any Indication of Large-Scale or Extremely Targeted Efforts at US Companies – CNBC.
*White House Adviser Deese: I Have Seen Some Activity in Ukraine That’s Spilled Over and Impacted European, and in Some Cases American Companies.

 

[Puzzled]

*Kremlin Spokesman Peskov: Russia Would Only Use Nuclear Weapons If Its Very Existence Were Threatened – TASS
https://twitter.com/LavenderNRed/status/1506339801112494082

I don't know the context of that statement but surely any country that has nuclear weapons has to say they would use them or the threat of mutually assured destruction is lost.

The only threat to Russia's existence will come from within. Ukraine or NATO aren't going to be sending forces into Russia so it will be up their own people to force a change if they aren't happy with being isolated internationally. You can't bomb your way out of sanctions.

 

[Angilion]

See to me that says we can go kick them out of Ukraine or at least give them 48 hours to get out or else. Just make it clear it's about liberating Ukraine and not about invading Russia.

I don't interpret it that way because a big part of Putin's position is that the existence of NATO is a threat to the existence of Russia. I think he would interpret NATO (or any of the countries in NATO) liberating Ukraine as a direct threat to the existence of Russia. The fact that it isn't doesn't matter.

Besides, Putin has lied repeatedly and openly and not infrequently contradicts himself. It's part of his policy. So whatever he says is meaningless.

 

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I don't know the context of that statement

(CNN) - Russian President Vladimir Putin's chief spokesman has conceded that Russia has yet to achieve any of its military goals in Ukraine and refused to deny that Moscow could resort to the use of nuclear weapons.

In an interview with CNN's Christiane Amanpour on Tuesday, Dmitry Peskov repeatedly refused to rule out that Russia would consider using nuclear weapons against what Moscow saw as an "existential threat." When asked under what conditions Putin would use Russia's nuclear capability, Peskov replied, "if it is an existential threat for our country, then it can be."

When asked what Putin thought he had achieved in Ukraine so far, Peskov answered: "Well, first of all, not yet. He hasn't achieved yet."

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/22/europe/amanpour-peskov-interview-ukraine-intl/index.html

*Biden Approval Rating Drops to New Low of 40%, According to Reuters/Ipsos Poll Conducted on March 21–22
*Biden’s Approval Rating Mirrors Trump’s Rating at This Point in His Presidency
*On March 30, Senators Are to Receive Classified Briefing on Ukraine.
*US Secretary of State Blinken and NATO Sec. Gen. Stoltenberg Discussed NATO Eastern Flank and the Summit.