Poll: United States Grand Prix 2016, Austin - Race 18/21

Rate the 2016 United States Grand Prix out of ten

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drunkenmaster said:
Half of those Hamilton had to start from the back or so far down he had no chance to win. Without Hamilton starting alongside he is a default winner in a car that no one else can match. There will always be good and bad races for every driver so even with Hamilton up there he won't lose every race to Hamilton, but 4-5 races this year have been complete gifts for Rosberg. Bahrain Bottas divebombed Hamilton, he's had multiple failures in qualifying, he's been hit by Rosberg twice, etc, etc.
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But then you could extend that to Red Bull ballsing up in Monaco, gifting Hamilton the win. Where exactly do you draw a line when it comes to luck? Some things are beyond your control, you drive the car to the best of your ability and that's all the human element can do really.

Rosberg was utter cack in Monaco though, he really doesn't like the wet.

Eh, turrd is a swear now? :D
 
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el_dazza said:
How on earth someone can win half the races in a season and not be a 'deserving' champion is quite beyond me. Rosberg won what, 7 races in a row (if we include the tail end of last year also) which takes some doing, even in the most dominant car F1 has ever seen.

I fully agree luck's played its part, you'd be mad not to see that, but please justify how someone doesn't deserve to win a world title having won half the races in a season.
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But how many of those wins are only because Hamilton had reliability issues? Taken in isolation, wins are irrelevant. If Lewis' car had expired in every single race this year, Rosberg would have won even more races. Would he be a 'deserving' champion then?

If Lewis' engine hadn't died in Malaysia, he'd have come into this race 5 points behind rather than 33. That's the difference just ONE engine failure has made, and he's had several.

Rosberg is only in the position he is because of reliability and that's a fact, one to which Rosberg fans just don't want to admit.
 
el_dazza said:
But then you could extend that to Red Bull ballsing up in Monaco, gifting Hamilton the win. Where exactly do you draw a line when it comes to luck? Some things are beyond your control, you drive the car to the best of your ability and that's all the human element can do really.

Rosberg was utter cack in Monaco though, he really doesn't like the wet.

Eh, turrd is a swear now? :D
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Except that isn't the same situation. HAmilton didn't win because Rosberg got utterly screwed in qualifying and had no chance to win. He started ahead of Hamilton and lost points to Hamilton fair and square. Also Hamilton got screwed in qualifying in Monaco. Merc also screwed up by putting him on the ultras which lost him about 8 seconds vs Perez who was put on softs. Had Hamilton qualified normally he looked to have the pace for pole, certainly to beat Rosberg, either way not losing the 8-9 seconds he lost behind Rosberg while Rosberg sucked.

Hamilton pretty much overcame being screwed in qualifying and strategy to win against Ricciardo who lost almost the same in his pit as Ham did due to the stupid tire choice by the team.
 
Vertigo1 said:
But how many of those wins are only because Hamilton had reliability issues? Taken in isolation, wins are irrelevant. If Lewis' car had expired in every single race this year, Rosberg would have won even more races. Would he be a 'deserving' champion then?

If Lewis' engine hadn't died in Malaysia, he'd have come into this race 5 points behind rather than 33. That's the difference just ONE engine failure has made, and he's had several.

Rosberg is only in the position he is because of reliability and that's a fact, one to which Rosberg fans just don't want to admit.
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I know, the difference one DNF makes is huge. It's the same in any sport though. If a referee disallows a perfectly good goal in football that means a team draws rather than wins and at the end of the season they miss out on the title by 1 point, the FA don't go back and review it. All that matters is the number of points scored.

How exactly are wins irrelevant when they gain you 25 points? If drivers are tied on points then most wins count, so yeah they're quite relevant.
 
Flibster said:
Well... that was delicate and precise.... :eek:
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Alonso might have come from a long way back but he was fully alongside and Massa just turned in on him without looking.

Of course Massa will claim it's all Alonso's fault because that's what he always does. In all the years he's been in F1, I don't think I've ever seen Massa admit fault for anything.
 
el_dazza said:
I know, the difference one DNF makes is huge. It's the same in any sport though. If a referee disallows a perfectly good goal in football that means a team draws rather than wins and at the end of the season they miss out on the title by 1 point, the FA don't go back and review it. All that matters is the number of points scored.

How exactly are wins irrelevant when they gain you 25 points? If drivers are tied on points then most wins count, so yeah they're quite relevant.
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Why bother even discussing it? We all know Hamilton is better than Rosberg. Can't imagine anyone other than Rosberg's wife would claim different.
 
Vertigo1 said:
Alonso might have come from a long way back but he was fully alongside and Massa just turned in on him without looking.

Of course Massa will claim it's all Alonso's fault because that's what he always does. In all the years he's been in F1, I don't think I've ever seen Massa admit fault for anything.
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Yeah that was standard Massa turning in on someone, then he'll moan that someone had the temerity to be there!
 
el_dazza said:
I know, the difference one DNF makes is huge. It's the same in any sport though. If a referee disallows a perfectly good goal in football that means a team draws rather than wins and at the end of the season they miss out on the title by 1 point, the FA don't go back and review it. All that matters is the number of points scored.

How exactly are wins irrelevant when they gain you 25 points? If drivers are tied on points then most wins count, so yeah they're quite relevant.
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No one is disputing that he won't be champion (assuming he does end up with more points at the end), but whether he'll be a 'deserving' one.

When you only win through factors outside your control and would otherwise not have done so, you're a lucky and undeserving champion. It's that simple.
 
Oh look, Williams with crappy long stint strategy that literally never ever works. Do you think someone at the team might finally learn that more stops and a reasonable constant pace works better for a car with crap tire wear. IT's almost been three full seasons and they have yet to learn that, embarrassing.
 
Ok. Penalty for Alonso likely then. Massa has a front left puncture.

Sainz saying the tyres are shot over the radio.

Kvyat and Magnussen under investigation after the race.
 
englishpremier said:
Why bother even discussing it? We all know Hamilton is better than Rosberg. Can't imagine anyone other than Rosberg's wife would claim different.
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I won't deny that. As a pure racer, he's by far and away better than Rosberg. The point i'm trying to make is the incessant whinging about luck who deserves what is pointless when all that ultimately matters is the number of points accumulated next to a driver's name after all races are completed. That decides the world championship. Nothing else. There are factors that contribute to said number, but all mean nothing at the end of it.
 
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