I think that is a great decision. Hartley was fairly impressive on his first grand Prix and surely has the base to increase his effectiveness.
Poll: United States Grand Prix 2017, Austin - Race 17/20
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I think that is a great decision. Hartley was fairly impressive on his first grand Prix and surely has the base to increase his effectiveness.
Don
Really? I didn't think he did anything particularly special, although not binning it is already a step above the likes of Palmer I guess
Soldato
You're quite right, it was Webber not Horner. His apology wasn't very sincere though. Maybe he doesn't care if he keeps or loses his pundit job.
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Just been confirmed as "virtual" by @F1 Twitter page. I did suspect it was just some cheesey americanism.
This is the whole problem with Max. He's a great talent but he's arrogant and doesn't seem to think the rules apply to him.
I've noticed he's now escalating things by calling the steward an idiot because he feels he keeps penalising only him, referring directly to the Mexico incident last year. Even a year on, there's no humility from him about that which was as clear a case of corner cutting as you'll ever see. He needs to calm the **** down.
Rubbish. If it hadn't been on the final lap then he'd have been told to give the place back. He'd have refused of course and kept moaning all the way until the end of the race and then been given a post-race time penalty, exactly as happened in Mexico last year. The kid may be 20 now but still behaves like a typical teenager - never ever in the wrong.
Man of Honour
It would've been a penalty even if it was Werhlein overtaking Ericcson on the final lap. Only reason people are making issue of it is because of the podium change but the rules still apply.
Just a typical teenage response, you’re just picking on me, it’s not fair.. whatever - you broke a rule and have zero come back.
Does he expect the rules to be broken for him?
It’s a fair point that the track limits rules need to be clearer but since when was going off the track to overtake acceptable? That has never and will never be acceptable. Pointing the finger to othere who may have got away with it doesn’t make it fine, not even in primary school.
Does he expect the rules to be broken for him?
It’s a fair point that the track limits rules need to be clearer but since when was going off the track to overtake acceptable? That has never and will never be acceptable. Pointing the finger to othere who may have got away with it doesn’t make it fine, not even in primary school.
Soldato
Ha, how random!
The difference is that these manouvres didn't result in actual overtakes or retention of position. Had they done so then I think action would have been taken. Many are citing the Bottas/Verstappen incident where Bottas kept ahead by running wide, but Verstappen got past anyway on the next corner. Had he not done so then I firmly believe Bottas would have had to cede the position. Likewise with Ricciardo's dive into turn 1 - had he actually made it past Bottas then I think Mercedes would have protested and a Danny been forced to give the place back.
Yes I agree with you that there were many cases where running wide gave a "lasting advantage" in that it allowed the driver to close up on the guy in front and this isn't acceptable either but this is far more of a "grey" area and doesn't excuse the more blatant cases. I think the FIA have it right with cases where it's obvious an overtake or position retention has been because of a track limits violation, always handing down a penalty if the drivers don't rectify it themselves. It's the grey area of 'merely' gaining time that's a bit more foggy.
My biggest issue with all of this is still Verstappen's arrogance. He's obviously STILL sore about Mexico when you couldn't get a more open and shut case of cheating. The majority of drivers will realise when they've pushed things too far and hand the place back. Max just ploughs on and doesn't even seem to realise he's in the wrong.
Soldato
And I thought those suggesting it were being tongue in cheek after the pre-race show. What a weird gimmick.
Soldato
My feelings also, which is why I think Max and the team are pretty upset about it. The pass was inevitable but he just took too much run off trying to be safe. Not a deliberate rule flouting that's for sure.
I think his driving has much improved as has his attitude since the break, taking less risks but still driving beautifully. I was so chuffed he got that podium, great drive. Not Canada 2011 great, but as this season has gone it was a welcome show.
Really? I didn't think he did anything particularly special, although not binning it is already a step above the likes of Palmer I guess
Did enough to warrant another race.
Soldato
Considering he hadn't raced a single-seater for 5 years I think it was a good debut. His pace wasn't especially great, but overall he was probably no less impressive than any other mid-season debutant than I can remember for a good few years, so definitely worth a chance to see whether he's worthy of racing next year.
They've always got Kyvat to fall back on if it doesn't work out, but the chances of them scoring strong points in the remainder of the year are minimal.
I'm just surprised Red Bull have appointed a non-Red Bull driver. I assumed he was only in for a one-off due to Gasly being off in Japan.
They've always got Kyvat to fall back on if it doesn't work out, but the chances of them scoring strong points in the remainder of the year are minimal.
I'm just surprised Red Bull have appointed a non-Red Bull driver. I assumed he was only in for a one-off due to Gasly being off in Japan.
http://www.planetf1.com/news/verstappen-could-face-action-for-idiot-jibe/
Eek.. though didn’t Vettel out Charlie and nothing was done?
Eek.. though didn’t Vettel out Charlie and nothing was done?
Caporegime
Good. It was completely unacceptable for him to comment in that manner, angry or not. The correctness or otherwise of the decision is irrelevant.
Soldato
Hopefully he wrote them a letter like Vettel's so he can get away with it.