University lecturer?

dmpoole said:
Absolutely no way is this correct.
I've just pulled my wife and her 3 mates (all teachers) over to the screen to read that and they are all laughing.
You have got to have missed something out from that cut & paste.
Think about it, do you think you could walk up an average street in Britain, knock on the door and find that 30% of that street have got a degree or higher?
I can take you to areas where they haven't got a cycling proficiency certificate between them which means that other areas must be near a 100% degree rate.
Surely that's got to be something like 30% of people who went to Higher Education (College and further) ended up with a degree or equivalent.
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Exaclty I could go to many areas of town and in over 1000+ homes none off the parents have school education and none of the children even go to school. NOw accordign to this it means there must be areas of town were all parents have degrees and all there kids do well at school.

I think poverty/working class/unemployment far outnumbers the educated/academic population
 
To be fair. If you think about the number of people in the uk (let alone Europe) that play football at some level. Then consider the number of players in the Premier League (20 teams with a squad of around 25) we're only talking about 500 people.

Given this in terms of percentages the premier league is much more likely representative of the top 0.0001% of footballers. Therefore as you proclaim to be in the top 5% of the UK in terms of education. That probably puts you around the Blue Square Premier at best.
 
dmpoole said:
Absolutely no way is this correct.
I've just pulled my wife and her 3 mates (all teachers) over to the screen to read that and they are all laughing.
You have got to have missed something out from that cut & paste.
Think about it, do you think you could walk up an average street in Britain, knock on the door and find that 30% of that street have got a degree or higher?
I can take you to areas where they haven't got a cycling proficiency certificate between them which means that other areas must be near a 100% degree rate.
Surely that's got to be something like 30% of people who went to Higher Education (College and further) ended up with a degree or equivalent.
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It specifically states that they have a qualification at degree level, not that they all have degrees specifically. So it does actually say 30% of people have a degree or equivalent.

I can tell you that in my street only one person doesn't have a degree or equivalent and he is a plumber. That means 27 people between 21-65 have a degree or equivalent out of 28 adults.

Here is the actual statistics and source:

30.9 per cent of all adults aged 19-59/64 have a qualification at level 4 or higher. This represents an increase of 5.6 ppts since 2001 (25.2 to 30.9 per cent), equivalent to around 2.0 million more people having
Higher Education (HE) level qualifications than in 2001.

30.9 per cent of all adults aged 19-59/641 have a qualification at level 4 or higher. This equates to 9.1
million people from a population of 29.6 million. This represents an increase of 0.9 ppts since Quarter
4 2006. There has been an increase of 5.6 ppts since 2001 (25.2 to 30.9 per cent), equivalent to
around 2.0 million more people having Higher Education (HE) level qualifications than six years ago.
A Public Service Agreement (PSA) indicator is for 36 per cent of this population to be qualified to at
least level 4 by 2014 with an interim milestone of 34 per cent by 2011.

• Employees in professional occupations are much more likely to be qualified to level 4 or above than
those who are managers and senior officials (81.9 per cent compared to 48.3 per cent respectively).
Process, plant and machine operatives are the least likely to be qualified to level 4 or higher, at just
5.0 per cent.

• People in employment are twice as likely to be qualified to level 4 or above than those who are
unemployed or inactive (34.9 per cent compared to 18.9 per cent and 16.8 per cent respectively).
• Chinese people are much more likely to be qualified to level 4 or above than any other ethnic group.
(54 per cent, compared to a national average of 30.9 per cent).

• There are large regional differences in the proportion of people qualified to level 4 or above, with the
highest being London, at 40.1 per cent, and the lowest being the North East, at 24.4 per cent.

• 33.6 per cent of economically active adults2 have achieved a qualification at level 4 or above. This
represents 8.2 million adults from an economically active population of 24.4 million. This is an
increase of 1.0 ppt since last year showing continuing improvement since 2001.
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http://www.education.gov.uk/rsgateway/DB/SFR/s000798/DIUSSFR05-2008.pdf

People are counted as being qualified to level 4 or above if they have achieved a first or higher degree, an
NVQ level 4 or 5, a recognised degree-level professional qualification; an HNC/HND or other higher-level
vocational or management qualification, a teaching or nursing qualification; or a diploma in Higher Education.
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Marvt74 said:
To be fair. If you think about the number of people in the uk (let alone Europe) that play football at some level. Then consider the number of players in the Premier League (20 teams with a squad of around 25) we're only talking about 500 people.

Given this in terms of percentages the premier league is much more likely representative of the top 0.0001% of footballers. Therefore as you proclaim to be in the top 5% of the UK in terms of education. That probably puts you around the Blue Square Premier at best.
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but how many people play football? THen premier league only refers to UK. Scotland+england?

population I dont know 30 million males?

what at school maybe 20% all guys like football, 5-10% play for clubs

take age range? 18-30 so your taking I dont know lets say? 5 million males 18-30 in uk....10% play football? 1 in 10 males 18-30 plays football prob not after 25 maybe 1 in 50 guys plays regular football in fact Id say maybe 1 in 500 25+ guys play regular football, how many guys 25+ like football maybe 1 in 50 have a team they follow? many men dont like football....anways so take the 10% figure 500,000 males...seems not many maybe my stats are wrong I dont know?

750 play in top league in Sco+eng.....750/500,000 therefore 0.15% of footballers play in the top league in the UK.


lets take males in general.

So in a school of 100 male school leavers only 10% go to uni? I dont know seems a good guess from my school. about 10 off us went to uni in my year a typical normal city centre high school. or about that

so this means 10% males go to uni. say 75% complete there degree then only 50% get at least 2,1 degree this means that for every 5 out of 100 males has a 2.1 degree. However at a top uni...maybe only 3 out 100 males have a 2.1 degree at least from a top uni.

This therefore put me in the top 3% of male education.


Come at me with my mathematical statistical skills brothers




so thats
 
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compboyo said:
Exaclty I could go to many areas of town and in over 1000+ homes none off the parents have school education and none of the children even go to school. NOw accordign to this it means there must be areas of town were all parents have degrees and all there kids do well at school.

I think poverty/working class/unemployment far outnumbers the educated/academic population
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But at the same time, if you go around many areas of Cambridge you will find that most people have at least an undergrad degree. The postcode I live in apparently has over 40% of people with a postgrad degree or higher, discounting the (matriculated but not graduated) students who live in the two colleges in this postcode!

I believe the corresponding figure for back home was about 0%. But then again my parents do live worryingly close to Stoke :p
 
I think I can safely say that if you are in the top 3% and your statistics/guesstimates are correct, then mathematics as we know it has broken down.

Having said that, I've interviewed some "interesting" candidates with 2:1/1st degrees, from red-bricks, who I wouldn't trust to make me a decent cup of coffee, let alone trust to run riot on the millions of lines of code I look after.
 
compboyo said:
but how many people play football? THen premier league only refers to UK. Scotland+england?

population I dont know 30 million males?

what at school maybe 20% all guys like football, 5-10% play for clubs

take age range? 18-30 so your taking I dont know lets say? 5 million males 18-30 in uk....10% play football? 1 in 10 males 18-30 plays football prob not after 25 maybe 1 in 50 guys plays regular football in fact Id say maybe 1 in 500 25+ guys play regular football, how many guys 25+ like football maybe 1 in 50 have a team they follow? many men dont like football....anways so take the 10% figure 500,000 males...seems not many maybe my stats are wrong I dont know?

750 play in top league in Sco+eng.....750/500,000 therefore 0.15% of footballers play in the top league in the UK.


lets take males in general.

So in a school of 100 male school leavers only 10% go to uni? I dont know seems a good guess from my school. about 10 off us went to uni in my year a typical normal city centre high school. or about that

so this means 10% males go to uni. say 75% complete there degree then only 50% get at least 2,1 degree this means that for every 5 out of 100 males has a 2.1 degree. However at a top uni...maybe only 3 out 100 males have a 2.1 degree at least from a top uni.

This therefore put me in the top 3% of male education.


Come at me with my mathematical statistical skills brothers




so thats
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personally I think you sit in the 11.4% that have no qualification whatsoever. Making you significantly better than average in a reverse demographic.:p
 
Dave said:
But at the same time, if you go around many areas of Cambridge you will find that most people have at least an undergrad degree. The postcode I live in apparently has over 40% of people with a postgrad degree or higher, discounting the (matriculated but not graduated) students who live in the two colleges in this postcode!

I believe the corresponding figure for back home was about 0%. But then again my parents do live worryingly close to Stoke :p
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right and cambridge is one city in 100000000000000s in the uk so its not very much weight on the final numbers.

how many uneducated people in bad areas in Liverpool people versus students in Liverpool?
 
Castiel said:
personally I think you sit in the 11.4% that have no qualification whatsoever. Making you significantly better than average in a reverse demographic.:p
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i was actually gonna train in actuary after high school. I was lined up with a company..they make loadsa money but work a lot of hours. I have rediscovered my love for numbers and creating stats again in this thread.

Thanks:p

Maybe Ill look into graduate actuary jobs
 
But surely even taking your figures. Being in the top 3% is quite different to being in the top 0.15%

Thats not even taking into account the weighting behind the FPL bringing in THE BEST players from around the world rather than just the best in the UK.
 
Castiel said:
Here is the actual statistics and source:
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I got a Level 4 on an 18 week (3 hrs/week) assistant teaching course so definitely not a degree level.
I was told that Level 5 would be equal to a degree level.

In fact from the Direct Gov website - http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/EducationAndLearning/QualificationsExplained/DG_10039017

A level 4 is equal to:

- BTEC Professional Diplomas Certificates and Awards
- HNCs
- NVQs at level 4

However, in my area which is Stoke On Trent (all stop laughing now) there is no way that 30% of adults have reached a Level 4.
 
Marvt74 said:
But surely even taking your figures. Being in the top 3% is quite different to being in the top 0.15%

Thats not even taking into account the weighting behind the FPL bringing in THE BEST players from around the world rather than just the best in the UK.
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ok but my football vs education is flawed.

Premier league with 500 players is like 50 dudes with multiple phds and shizzz

however to be in top 3% of educated males dont mean you can get a job.

More important things are social skills, work experience, work ethic etc...etc...thats reality.

its like gary Neville, I am prob better at football than him and more skillful but he has great wok ethic and desire and professionalism...sometimes talent isnt enough eg. REcoba
 
compboyo said:
i was actually gonna train in actuary after high school. I was lined up with a company..they make loadsa money but work a lot of hours. I have rediscovered my love for numbers and creating stats again in this thread.

Thanks:p

Maybe Ill look into graduate actuary jobs
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Hahaha this is comedy gold :D. Damn I love your parents for being siblings...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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ps3ud0 said:
Hahaha this is comedy gold :D. Damn I love your parents for being siblings...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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I am being serious though.

its a job I can do.

I think I may enjoy but Its long hours and lots of study so I dont like that aspect.

Statistically speaking if Casteil responds again to this thread there is a 99% chance it will be a negative or mocking comment towards me
 
dmpoole said:
I got a Level 4 on an 18 week (3 hrs/week) assistant teaching course so definitely not a degree level.
I was told that Level 5 would be equal to a degree level.

In fact from the Direct Gov website - http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/EducationAndLearning/QualificationsExplained/DG_10039017

A level 4 is equal to:

- BTEC Professional Diplomas Certificates and Awards
- HNCs
- NVQs at level 4

However, in my area which is Stoke On Trent (all stop laughing now) there is no way that 30% of adults have reached a Level 4.
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It doesn't matter how the Govt grade because the statistics state the criteria they used and later gives the breakdown of that data and projections of where we are likely to be today.

If you look at the table at the end of the paper it gives you a breakdown, with 23% having level 4-6 and 7.1% having level 7-8 in 2007, which means that if you take the projected increases in the paper for 2011 around 10% of the adult population under 64 have a post graduate/higher or equivalent qualification and another 20% have undergrad or equivalent.

I was in the ballpark when I stated that around 20% of the adult population have a degree or professional equivalent if you take the broader criteria of the paper into consideration.
 
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You don't have to a super mega genius to be happy in university research. You can be fairly low, and still be quite satisfied.

Brian Cox for example got d in his maths a-level.

Its like business work, your probably anywhere near the top, but you can still be satisfied.
 
compboyo said:
I am being serious though.

its a job I can do.

I think I may enjoy but Its long hours and lots of study so I dont like that aspect.

Statistically speaking if Casteil responds again to this thread there is a 99% chance it will be a negative or mocking comment towards me
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well you were wrong, so how does that fit into your statistical model.
 
compboyo

Sorry for asking this and insult me if you think I'm being insulting but being part of a lot of your threads and having experience of such pupils in the past, are you by any chance on the aspergers scale?

And the email you sent -
Not brilliant on your links but potential and most definitely yes.
 
He said in another thread he thought he was dmpoole, he said he was in this thread, so I have no idea if he's actually been tested but he at the least suspects that he is.
 
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