University.

It's a lot of things, location, nightlife and the amount of mates I've got going to plymouth.
Cost is a big one, it's much considerably cheaper to live down in plymouth and I'm not made of money. Student loans and grants work under the assumption that if your parents are doing alright they'll live in a 1 bedroom council house and have mountains of expendable income to give to you.
My loan couldn't pay accomodation down in bristol.

Everyone thinks I'm being an idiot, maybe I am, but if I'm happy with the decision it's all that matters to me.
 
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It's a lot of things, location, nightlife and the amount of mates I've got going to plymouth.
Cost is a big one, it's much considerably cheaper to live down in plymouth and I'm not made of money. Student loans and grants work under the assumption that if your parents are doing alright they'll live in a 1 bedroom council house and have mountains of expendable income to give to you.
My loan couldn't pay accomodation down in bristol.

If cost is such a big issue and you would genuinely struggle, I would phone the university and enquire about any grants that might be available, explaining your circumstances. I'm 99% sure that non-repayable financial support can be provided by various institutions although I'm not sure of the details.

I've seen quite adequate accommodation for as 'little' £250 a month, but I concur that it isn't a cheap place to live and housing at that price is relatively rare.

Everyone thinks I'm being an idiot, maybe I am, but if I'm happy with the decision it's all that matters to me.

I cannot help but think that going to Plymouth will be a decision you will later regret.

In fact, I'm so confident that you would enjoy Bristol, I'll even meet up with you so you can punch me square in the face if you feel disappointed after a year.
 
brave statement, why the big neg on Plym?

I'm not saying it's a bad university at all, it's just relatively not considered as being in the same league as UoB.

In terms of football, it's like rejecting an offer to play in the Premiership and going for a contract at a Division 1/2 team.
 
IF he's got more friends going and thinks he'll be more comftable, thats his choice and most likely the correct one.

Yes its not a bad thing as a learning experience to go somewhere you know no one and start fresh, forces you to make friends and be more social, while an established group of friends can be an easy and lazy way to not bother really joining in with anyone else and staying in your own easy group. But neither is a bad thing to be honest so who cares.

First impressions aren't always accurate, but its generally a poor choice to choose to go somewhere for at least a year(can always transfer after the first year I guess) when your gut feeling was you wouldn't like the place.

AS for regretting the decision, we all mostly regret half the choices we make, even if he hates Plymouth and transfers to Bristol and loves it. Had he gone to Bristol he'd still regret not being with his mates in Plymouth and might always feel he's not where he wants to be so never really fully enjoy Bristol. Such is life, the thing its taken me way too long to work out is there are few bad choices, and you'll regret almost every choice to at least some degree no matter how well things turned out.
 
surely depends on the course in question?

i agree reputation needs to be considered too, but UWE hardly has the greatest rep either.
 
OP still hasn't told us which Uni?

I'm in my 2nd year at Sixth Form at current, and have just had offers from my top 2 Uni's (Kent and Portsmouth) to study a BA Hons in History. Kent is ideally where I want to go, but either will be awesome. To be honest, the whole 'University experience' is certainly getting built up quite a lot, obviously everyone's university experience is different, but I'm not building up my hopes too much, because I don't wanna be let down. However, despite that, I'm still looking forward to things like the independence, living on my own for the first time. But also of course the ridiculous fancy dress parties dressed as light bulbs, making 'Cheesuses' and rolling down staircases at 4am in the morning. Someone said earlier "You get out of University what you put into it..."
I'm pretty sure that is 100% true, if you're just gonna sit around and moan about it on a computer forum, then it sounds like you need to get out my friend. If not, then go out and enjoy yourself, it's the last 3 years of your life when you won't be tied down to a job, and a lot of people say University was the best experience of their life. Go and make it happen :)
 
surely depends on the course in question?

i agree reputation needs to be considered too, but UWE hardly has the greatest rep either.

Generally speaking, I think the brand of the University holds more weight than the ranking of a course in question. An applicant with a 2.1 at Oxford in, for example, social policy, is always going to draw more attention than my 2.1 at Bristol in biology for a non degree specific job simply because the power of the Oxford brand.

As for UWE, I think it's definitely shaking it's image of being an ex-polytechnic, there is a lot of investment going on and good links with major recruiters, for business and computing degrees at least.
 
I really think your university experience depends on the university and the course. My university experience was very different from my girlfriend's but yet our universitis were less than a mile apart. She was at RHUL and was there for the buildings, the culture and the classicists, and most of them were like that there. I was up the road at Brunel and there for the quality of education, which I got. Go to Oxbridge and you'll be get an Oxbridge experience.

I did my 1st degree just before the grant was abolished, the year before tuition fees, so I've seen quite a transition in the way universities look and operate. Before fees most universities looked exactly as they did in the 60's. They were dated, lacking money and lacking facilities. Students were poor and lived off beans on toast. Now they are very commercialised and students are rolling in money. You only have to look at University of Surrey, it has two Starbucks with permanently long queues and a Thai restaurant on campus. No way it would have been like that 10 years ago.

You're not at surrey uni are you?
Oi, UniS rocks. Well it does from up here in CES anyway :cool:
 
I really think your university experience depends on the university and the course. My university experience was very different from my girlfriend's but yet our universitis were less than a mile apart. She was at RHUL and was there for the buildings, the culture and the classicists, and most of them were like that there. I was up the road at Brunel and there for the quality of education, which I got. Go to Oxbridge and you'll be get an Oxbridge experience.

I did my 1st degree just before the grant was abolished, the year before tuition fees, so I've seen quite a transition in the way universities look and operate. Before fees most universities looked exactly as they did in the 60's. They were dated, lacking money and lacking facilities. Students were poor and lived off beans on toast. Now they are very commercialised and students are rolling in money. You only have to look at University of Surrey, it has two Starbucks with permanently long queues and a Thai restaurant on campus. No way it would have been like that 10 years ago.


Oi, UniS rocks. Well it does from up here in CES anyway :cool:


I agree entirely. Obviously I don't wish to live like a homeless person, but its also odd seeing the sheer amount of money that floats around.

I come from a well off enough background so it dosent faze me that much, but i've spent some time in some less well off areas and to be quite honest, I find it odd that a student who dosent work can afford to eat whatever they want, go drinking when the want, have great clothes etc etc.

Not complaining :D:D:D but I find it odd indeed.
 
I have not read the replies, so sorry for anything repeated!

1: Half the Goddamn tutors etc are foreign. I'm sorry but in a busy lecture hall, the last thing you want is someone who barely speaks English to try and hold the attention of the hall.

I know how you feel with this, I have had a tutor who is barely understandable, and who's poor accent is purely laughable. Nothing you can do about it other than complain to the module/course leader

2: The work. It's really not the challenging (yes I know it gets harder), and I really can't see the relevance.

If you don't see how the work is relevant it's important to have a work with your tutors so they can help you understand, they won't mind!


3: The people. Whilst i've got no real problem myself, having gotten in with a good bunch of people, there are so many foreign people here. Sorry if this sounds racist :rolleyes: , but its disconcerting to see so many Chinese, African people etc, whose grasp on the language and involvement in the university is minimal.

With regards to their grasp of language, there is a certain level of English they must be bale to comprehend to be able to get into a British University.
I have had foreign students who do not say a thing in group work and cannot manage to do a presentation!

It is a shame, but there are always some who will not be to the same understanding as other.
 
University doesn't give you the education, Lecturers are just teachers that read off a powerpoint and tell you how to pass the exams. You are there to get properly educated yourself if you so wish. You pay over £3K a year for the privilege of having the most fun you can have and not having to work for 3 years. University is there to facilitate binge drinking statistics.

1st year - 4 or 5 nights out a week and no work at all, if you cant pass the exams you should never have thought about university, or about that particular course.

2nd year - this counts towards your degree so work gets harder and a little effort is required, which means you have to cut down to just 3 nights out a week.

3rd year - this is the culmination of all that work you've been putting off, you need to pull your finger out and do something. So you might have to take a couple weeks off drinking in the run up to exams and limit yourself now (also you're getting poorer) to 2 nights out a week.

Essentially any degree (excl. medicine, dentistry, architecture, and perhaps law) can be done in 1 year without problems if university was about work. However they stretch it over 3 to ease the adjustment to adult life.

So stop moaning about how easy first year is and live it up whilst you can, go out, get hammered, sleep with fat chicks. The anecdotes you create now will be the only fun you have left to hang onto when you're working 9-5.

Edit: and personal tip for Uni, JOIN A SPORTS TEAM.


Great post, if you don't want to hang out with foreign students then don't, they are here to enjoy university life as well so don't judge them and let them be. I know it can get in the way of group work etc but i doubt you are doing much at the moment. I had a chinese lecturer who we couldn't understand for the life of us, but his lecture notes were really good lol. University was some of the best years of my life, you are a first year and complaining. You don't even learn much in the first year anyway. Log off and go and get happy.
 
2: The work. It's really not the challenging (yes I know it gets harder), and I really can't see the relevance.

3: The people. Whilst i've got no real problem myself, having gotten in with a good bunch of people, there are so many foreign people here. Sorry if this sounds racist :rolleyes: , but its disconcerting to see so many Chinese, African people etc, whose grasp on the language and involvement in the university is minimal.

You should try doing a physics degree, almost completely dominated by white males. In my year their is about an 8:1 ratio of guys to girls, one black/african guy and maybe a handful of asian students. It's a different story with lecturers (although still mostly male) but i find how good they are is usually down to how well they connect with people and how passionate they are about the subject rather than how good their english is.

The first year was easier than A2 but the academia really picks up in the second and third years.
 
I was only drawing a correlation to the fact that lots of people with less than perfect English do not even make the attempt to try and "fit in" in terms of being involved in seminars etc.

It's NOTHING to do with their colour or their creed etc, and the argument is true for "white" people as well, but more pronounced in the form of the huddle of the international students.
 
Was the solution actually that it's true for any k,p,A,t then?

I'm not sure a very strong argument can be drawn from A levels. The ones I took were borderline irrelevant for uni, and I only took pure sciences then went into engineering. So unless you're suggesting that both general studies and economics as A level subjects are irrelevant, I'd say general studies as a degree is far less useful than one in economics. I have a suspicion that all A level subjects are trivial relative to university courses though, so I don't think I'm following your reasoning.

@Nix at no point have I said humanities are easy. How did you misread " "Reading" is evidently more difficult than I can fully understand as an engineer."? Reading from my perspective is a dozen or so pages of theory followed by a ludicrous amount of mathematics, so I tend to consider reading the easy bit. However I've also mentioned the Iliad in Greek as an example of reading, and I'd be unwise to say this is simple.

Geography is not something I've ever shown interest in. Despite this I acknowledge that I'd find a geography degree more difficult than an engineering one. However I will also stereotype and say that you'd have found an engineering degree much more difficult than your geography one.

Having done Maths, Physics and Chemistry at A-Level I went on to start a degree in Civil Engineering, dropped out after a year and did Geology (not quite Geography but similar) and I can honestly say Engineering was FAR more difficult than Gelolgy. :p

I went from 20+ hours of contact time and around 10+ (minimum just to do the hand in stuff) per week to 15 hours and a few hours every few weeks in my first year of Geology. Even in my third year I was doing less work than I was in my first year Engineering. That doesn't include the weeks away I had to do as part of my geology course however.:p

As for contact time vs "reading" I went from around 15 hours in my first and second year to 12 in my third year and we were expected to do 2 hours of reading for every hour of contact time. Doesn't seem much (especially when most of that wasn't done and others were crammed into a few days every couple of months) but it doesn't include the 3 weeks of 9-12 hour days on field trips each year and the month of independent fieldwork we had to do on top of that.:D All in all I worked it out to be around the same amount of contact time as my engineering first year.


As for the OP, well is sounds like you went to uni not to lear but to have fun, like so many others. Luckily they got dumped (or jumped) after the first year, leaving mostly those that chose work as more impottant than having fun. I still miss uni and it definately gets better in the second and third years, you get closer to your friends and more relaxed in your surroundings, then it all gets torn apart and you move all over the place. :(:p

I think that is partly the governments fault, trying to push more people into uni and then opening more spaces for them, a lot of the time on courses that aren't really needed. Not all degrees ARE equal IMO, some people need a degree (at minimum*) to do they job they want, whereas other degrees aren't particularly needed and are there as someone "has a degree" rather than specifically what that degree is (not that that is necessarily a bad thing as graduates wil probably be more mature in some respects than non graduates).

*For example Geology (and engineering), to get into a job in the major fields (Oil + Gas, mining, construction) you need at least a degree, with preferences for (and most graduate schemes needing) masters. PHd's are regularly requested in job adverts too!

(Please ignore the appauling spelling, grammar and general sentence structure! :eek:)
 
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Generally speaking, I think the brand of the University holds more weight than the ranking of a course in question. An applicant with a 2.1 at Oxford in, for example, social policy, is always going to draw more attention than my 2.1 at Bristol in biology for a non degree specific job simply because the power of the Oxford brand.

As for UWE, I think it's definitely shaking it's image of being an ex-polytechnic, there is a lot of investment going on and good links with major recruiters, for business and computing degrees at least.

Depends on whether you are going to aim for a job that utilises your degree or whether you just want a general degree. Yes the latter it's better to choose the most regarded university, however the former it can be more important to choose a course that is highly regarded, even if from a poorer university (for example if the course isn't accredited then you may not be able to become chartered in later life, major issues for engineers for example).

Having said all that if you spend your entire time hating the course and the uni you are going to get a worse classification than if you actually liked what you were studying, so in that respect have a look at the rankings then look at the courses in detail and see what you like.

At the end of the day (cringe!) after a couple of years experience or a masters it won't matter what uni you went to however that accredation may be an issue...
 
I really think your university experience depends on the university and the course. My university experience was very different from my girlfriend's but yet our universitis were less than a mile apart. She was at RHUL and was there for the buildings, the culture and the classicists, and most of them were like that there. I was up the road at Brunel and there for the quality of education, which I got. Go to Oxbridge and you'll be get an Oxbridge experience.

I did my 1st degree just before the grant was abolished, the year before tuition fees, so I've seen quite a transition in the way universities look and operate. Before fees most universities looked exactly as they did in the 60's. They were dated, lacking money and lacking facilities. Students were poor and lived off beans on toast. Now they are very commercialised and students are rolling in money. You only have to look at University of Surrey, it has two Starbucks with permanently long queues and a Thai restaurant on campus. No way it would have been like that 10 years ago.


Oi, UniS rocks. Well it does from up here in CES anyway :cool:

There's a third starbucks being built at the sports centre remember. :(

I'm SOM so you may be able to understand why I'm underwhelmed.
 
Depends on whether you are going to aim for a job that utilises your degree or whether you just want a general degree. Yes the latter it's better to choose the most regarded university, however the former it can be more important to choose a course that is highly regarded, even if from a poorer university (for example if the course isn't accredited then you may not be able to become chartered in later life, major issues for engineers for example).

Having said all that if you spend your entire time hating the course and the uni you are going to get a worse classification than if you actually liked what you were studying, so in that respect have a look at the rankings then look at the courses in detail and see what you like.

At the end of the day (cringe!) after a couple of years experience or a masters it won't matter what uni you went to however that accredation may be an issue...

Well, at the end of the day( ;) ) it's obviously most advisable to take a well regarded course at a well respected university :)
 
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