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Personally I feel some of my international lecturers bring the most of my course. Dr Guha who has now unfortunately left Bristol was one of my best lecturers in my first year. He came from India on the Price of Wales scholarship and ended up doing a PHD at Cambridge. He commanded more respect from the lecture hall than any of my first year lecturers.
Generally most of the foreign students are the hardest working around here (With the exception of the Chinese kid in my project group - he is useless!). They pay A LOT more than we do to get exactly the same education.
Sounds like you just don't like your course/non white people to me.
Generally most of the foreign students are the hardest working around here (With the exception of the Chinese kid in my project group - he is useless!). They pay A LOT more than we do to get exactly the same education.
Sounds like you just don't like your course/non white people to me.
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Yes but where from?
The place of study is far more important than the grade achieved.
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Doesn't matter what degree you end up with, you won't find a job anyway. At least thats what moaning graduates keep telling me.
To the OP: careful doing a degree you don't enjoy. I did the same thing, first few months were good but I quickly lost interest and resigned myself to just getting through so at least I would have something to show for it at the end. Long story short, I didn't stick to the plan and managed to balls it up. I learned a valuable lesson though; if you're not interested in something don't commit the next 3 years of your life to reading about it.
To the OP: careful doing a degree you don't enjoy. I did the same thing, first few months were good but I quickly lost interest and resigned myself to just getting through so at least I would have something to show for it at the end. Long story short, I didn't stick to the plan and managed to balls it up. I learned a valuable lesson though; if you're not interested in something don't commit the next 3 years of your life to reading about it.
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That is because there are more rubbish universities and rubbish courses than good ones.
For example, an engineer from the likes of Nottingham (the real one), Loughborough, Birmingham (the real one) etc etc will always be sought after.
A good grade in a good subject from a good uni is worth EXACTLY as much as 40 years ago.
So yes, if you did Law at Sheff Hallam, you are buggered, but if you did civil eng at birmingham, you are sought after and start on over £20k.
A common saying, 'Degrees are not worth as much as they used to be'. The good ones are and always will be
.Really? I can't comment of if this is true or not, but if I was to recieve an application from an Oxbridge garduate with a 3rd or a lower ranked Uni with a 1st or 2:1, surely the grade would look far better?
Dr Guha was indeed a LEGEND. Brilliant man, sadly a little too brilliant for me though, fluid & thermodynamics was my most mind-bending subject. His pronunciation of 'reservoir' confused us for a bit though, as well as 'fuel' (at least I think that's what it was...) - did he play the Flanders and Swann tune for you too?
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A uni course has no set standard. EG an Alevel in Maths is the same, no matter where it was achieved.
Degrees are completely different, if you do a subject at a poo uni it is worth so so so much less than a good one.
It is true and it is quite cruel having all these universities with silly csubjects (or proper ones that are just too easy), giving students false hopes in life.
If you sociology at Staffordshire uni, you will be working in a supermarket for £12k p/a
The university system is very very much a tiered system.
Do a course at Derby, you are finished by April each year, get drunk 3 times a week when you are there and generally have an easy time. Do the same subject at a big name uni, you come out knowing loads more (dare I say twice as much) even though you may have still got the same grade.
Just to top it off, if you have an AS level in history and a GCSE in PE, Derby will take you on almost any course (check the guardian uni rankins, it is rank 102 overall).
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A uni course has no set standard. EG an Alevel in Maths is the same, no matter where it was achieved.
Degrees are completely different, if you do a subject at a poo uni it is worth so so so much less than a good one.
It is true and it is quite cruel having all these universities with silly csubjects (or proper ones that are just too easy), giving students false hopes in life.
If you sociology at Staffordshire uni, you will be working in a supermarket for £12k p/a
That's quite a scary thought. I'm currently in the process of applying to going to Uni to studying Computing. I've had offers from UWE, Salford and Sheffield Hallam. I was going to choose either Salford or Sheffield Hallam, for various reasons, even though UWE is ranked higher!
I may need to think about that one again now! It's horrible applying for Uni, due to the fact that my course at College is only a year and the highest ranked Uni I've applied for is UWE. There are currently people on my course at College with offers from higher ranked Uni's, that I'm performing better than them! Makes me think that I should have applied for one of the top ranked Uni's.
Yes... Yes he did
Some of his pronunciation was what made him so good. I could hear his words still rattling round in my brain when I sat for 3 hours at the football stadium. SUCH a hard module.
Makes Aero3 this year so much easier though!
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No end of my friends have done degrees at what older people call a 'poly' rather than a 'uni'.
If you want good job prospects in life, PLEASE don't go to Hallam!
I would say computing or computer science is a good course if done at a high rank uni (where the course material is broad and challenging).
No end of people say to me, 'isn't uni easier than Alevels' (and these people have done easier Alevels like PE and psycology)! If a degree is easier than Alevels then something is seriously wrong! The government encourages degrees as they do not count full time students in unemployment figures.
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Would you say that as I'm doing 'Computing' and not Computer Science that this would put me at a disadvantage?
I know a few people who are at Hallam and they are in their final year now, one of them has been offered a job working in Manchester that he's got from his placement year. Has he just got lucky?
I'm 22 and I'm struggling to make a decision of where to attend. God knows what it's like for a 17/18 year old!
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Would you say that as I'm doing 'Computing' and not Computer Science that this would put me at a disadvantage?
I know a few people who are at Hallam and they are in their final year now, one of them has been offered a job working in Manchester that he's got from his placement year. Has he just got lucky?
I'm 22 and I'm struggling to make a decision of where to attend. God knows what it's like for a 17/18 year old!
I am an engineer, not a computer scientist sorry so cannot say.
Your friend's work performance may have been very good as they kept him on, however I would say for certain a Hallam graduate won't be taking home a gecent 'grad' wage, I bet he won't even be paying his loan off (£15,000p/a min).
Uni used to be a place to boost your earning potential for the high end students, now it seems any old retard can get in to some sort of university now, as it seems any old rubbish college can rebrand itself with a bit of work.
If you do something at Hallam, I would say that it will not allow you to earn enough £££ more to be worth your time and get you in all that debt.
As an engineer, the good courses are accredited by institutes (eg IMECHE for mech eng). Why is this important? Well without an accredited course you cannot become a chartered engineer.
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But you're looking at extremes. It's when the decision is closer that it matters. If it was between a 2:1 from oxbridge or a top ranked uni vs a 1st from a much lower ranked uni, I would think that the 2:1 would carry more weight because of the uni name.
I am still studying and applying for graduate stuff so maybe i'm mistaken, but I would think that that's how it would turn out.
That's making me think that the extra cost of going Bristol might be worth it, to study at UWE. Has anyone studied Computing (or similar related degree) at either UWE, Sheffield Hallam at Salford? It'd be great to get some views on where it's taken you?
Having a look at reviews on the internet is useless because they're all so biased!
Well, at the end of the day() it's obviously most advisable to take a well regarded course at a well respected university
True, it's just a well regarded uni may not do all well regarded courses.
For example Plymouth, which as you have pointed out is less than half way up the chart, however a lot/all of it's engineering courses and its geology course are accredited by their relevent societies, so after a few years I, for example, could become a chartered geologist. Some of the higher regarded universities don't have fully accredited courses...
I'm enjoying the diversity in university to be honest. Its great being able to freely mix with different cultures and religions and get abit of experience with them all. I did a presentation to my free elective class which has russian, chinese, african, american, brits and numerous other countries and I had to made sure my own language was clear enough for them to understand, instead of the usual hull slang dialect 
I don't like students however who don't give a toss about their course they are doing and just go and get smashed all the time then disrupting lectures etc the next day, highly annoying.
I don't like students however who don't give a toss about their course they are doing and just go and get smashed all the time then disrupting lectures etc the next day, highly annoying.
I seem to remember Physics at Durham wasn't accredited by anyone useful when I was looking for places to apply, but I could be imagining this.
I've no good idea how much elitism there is in employers. I know a few places make a point of not discriminating in favour of oxbridge students, which enrages them for obvious reasons. I know a few people with 2.2s in maths from cambridge who have been unemployed for six months now and are fuming that a 2.1 from warwick would have lead to jobs at PricewaterhouseCoopers and the like for much less effort, as they blanket reject anyone with less than a 2.1.
I've no good idea how much elitism there is in employers. I know a few places make a point of not discriminating in favour of oxbridge students, which enrages them for obvious reasons. I know a few people with 2.2s in maths from cambridge who have been unemployed for six months now and are fuming that a 2.1 from warwick would have lead to jobs at PricewaterhouseCoopers and the like for much less effort, as they blanket reject anyone with less than a 2.1.
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Unless you went to university in say the 1950s and again now I'm not sure how anyone could really compare.
However for what it is worth I thoroughly enjoyed my time at university, if I was to do it again there are a few things I might do differently but I don't really regret any of the choices I made while I was there so I'd have to call it a success. I had a lot of fun, passed my degree and made some great mates so I got what I wanted out of university - I don't think you can ask much more of university in all honesty, sure I wouldn't mind having less of a student loan but it's worth remembering that it is probably the best rate of interest you'll ever receive for any loan.
//edit and the mix of different students was a great thing, so much so that I took a term away from my university to study in a partner institution and had a fantastic time there - I've still got the scars to prove it.