**Unofficial Tyre Thread**

For those considering CSC6s, I thought I'd give a bit more feedback now I've had them on the car for a while and done a fair few miles.

Grip levels are still very high overall, but particularly impressive in the wet. They are quite temperature sensitive though! We've had a couple of cold days since I had them fitted and the grip levels are noticeably lower unless you work them up to temperature. I'm not talking DSC lights flashing away trying to pull off, but getting on the power out of tighter stuff and you can feel the rear wheels lightly spinning up.

Feel - quite a subjective thing but I do think these tyres are superb. It is quite hard to get a grasp on feel when the tyres are so grippy in the first place, but on the rare occasions when I'm on the limits of grip, feedback is quite superb. I don't think I've really felt anything like the scrabbling/scrubbing I felt from the RE050A, much more progressive when leaning hard on the tyre. I've had to do two full-bore emergency stops, once from quite a high speed and one reasonably slow speed and both times I could really feel the tyre working.

As for wear, I'd say judging on the wear to date I'd expect them to last 10,000 miles on the back and probably twice that on the fronts which feels about right. It'll be interesting to see how the wet performance falls away as the tyre wears.
 
Similar experience here too, although I don't really tend to drive the car when it's cold out. The PSS (wet or dry) used to light up DSC more often, with the CSC6 I've only seen DSC light up once, and that was yesterday on one of my regular winding roads after I hit some loose gravel on the exit of a slight bend and had put some power down.

I am genuinely very impressed. I can't say how much wear they have had yet as they still look new and I've done nearly 2500 miles.
 
It seems at the moment, MPSS seem to be on back order and I have been advised it could be up to a 12 week wait. :(

Then having to go through all the normal hoops with the tyres being non n-rated(N0,N1 or N2).
 
Nankang tyres, ns20's to be precise. Very cheap compared to branded and i was in a rush with no branded tyres available, only fitted to front drivers side and will be used mainly at motorway speeds, has anyone had experience of these? Read some horrible reviews with some calling them the usual "ditch finders" but these seem to be from people who have never actually driven on them.
 
The last time I had a car with any sort of nankang tyre on was about ten years ago. They were absolutely lethal in the wet with zero breakaway warning.

Perhaps they've moved the game on a bit now, their track tyre at least gets a reasonable write up, but I have my doubts
 
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Moved on a bit I think - certainly not up there with the premium brands but they're probably similar to where Kumho were 10-15 years ago. I tried the AS-1 a few years ago and it was fine, felt compeltely safe but a bit noisey
 
Ps4's have only done about 350 miles but they already feel a world away from the ps3 that were on the front. Much more like what I'd expect an 'uhp' tyre from Michelin to be
 
Just looking at tyres for the 911 fronts. 225/40/18. Out of the following really.

Michelin Pilot Super Sport
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asy2
Goodyear Eagle NCT5
Conti CSC5
Michelin PS4

or stick with N rated PS2s, which I've got on the back.
 
Does the car have a warranty on it? If so I'd choose a N rated tyre. However, if there is no warranty on the car I'd choose the MPSS tyres.

I personally see the PS4 below the MPSS in terms of performance.
 
Well no, since the PS4 are the successor to the PSS currently. They seem to have everything the PSS has for performance on the road in the dry, but with none of the drawbacks such as the PSS being pretty naff in the damp.
 
[TW]Fox;29576755 said:
Based on what ?

Michelin don't see it that way.

From what I have read the PS4 is the replacement for the PS3 which is a high performance tyres and the MPSS are seen as the ultra high performance tyre.

So the way I see it is:

PS3 > PS4 - HP
PS2 > PSS - UHP

tyrereviews said:
Before we get to the driving details, it's worth understanding how the Pilot Sport 4 is being positioned. The Pilot Sport 3 wasn't the direct successor to the Pilot Sport 2, that was actually replaced by the Pilot Super Sport, but instead the Pilot Sport 3 actually slotted in between the Pilot Exalto 2 and Pilot Super Sport, aiming more at the hot hatch market, and moving the balance towards wet grip and comfort.

The Pilot Sport 4 builds on the success of the Pilot Super Sport, and also takes lessons Michelin have learnt as the sole tyre supplier for the Formula E series, meaning the new Pilot Sport 4 is once again more inline with the "Pilot Sport" ethos. Think of it as a brother to the Pilot Super Sport, and a cousin of the Pilot Sport 3.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Michelin-Pilot-Sport-4-First-Drive.htm
 
They seem to have everything the PSS has for performance on the road in the dry, but with none of the drawbacks such as the PSS being pretty naff in the damp.

I think you need to try a Pirelli P-Zero before saying MPSS are naff in the damp, as they are truly unpredictable at best. I am also replacing the P-Zero on mine for this every reason even though they have 4/5mm tread left on them.
 
I think you need to try a Pirelli P-Zero before saying MPSS are naff in the damp, as they are truly unpredictable at best. I am also replacing the P-Zero on mine for this every reason even though they have 4/5mm tread left on them.

Why do I need to try the P-Zero in order to confirm that yes, the SuperSport is also crap in the damp? :p

I have a better tyre now anyway which excels in those conditions, so don't need to wonder any more!
 
Interesting - the P Zeros I had were very good in the wet. Not an amazing tyre overall, and I certainly wouldn't choose them compared to the latest offerings, but I couldn't fault their wet grip.
 
There are different variations of the P Zeros.
I "think" it's
P Zero, P Zero Rosso, P Zero Corsa, P Zero Nero.


I had either just "P Zero" or Rossos on one of my Imprezas, absolutely AWFUL in the wet and I'm confident if I hadn't had them on it wouldn't have ended up getting written off :p
 
From what I have read the PS4 is the replacement for the PS3 which is a high performance tyres and the MPSS are seen as the ultra high performance tyre.

PSS is being discontinued in all sizes other than those for which OEM contracts are still in force - PS4 is the retail replacement.

PS3 was a blip :p
 
[TW]Fox;29577953 said:
PSS is being discontinued in all sizes other than those for which OEM contracts are still in force - PS4 is the retail replacement.

PS3 was a blip :p

I've just had the following directly from Michelin when asking is the PS4 the direct replacement to the MPSS:


Thank you for your question, no, they are not: the ps4 is the most sportive tyre on the market produced for 100 road use. The PSS is also designed for an occasional track day (80% usage on the public road and 20% on circuit)

If you want, I can send you an e-mail comparing the two will all the details? You can take a look at it at any convenient time and make the best informed decision! One is not better then the other; they are slightly different in performances and it is a matter of what will suit you best

So I still stand by what I said. :p
 
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