**Unofficial Tyre Thread**
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I'm not entirely sure what your point is, but I'm saying that the MPSS is better in two specific ways - dry grip and subjective feel (sidewall stiffness). In every other way they aren't as good, likely because the PS4S compromised outright dry grip for wet weather ability and sidewall stiffness for noise and ride comfort.
CSC7 is better than the MPSS in dry conditions and better than the PS4S in every way, although the sidewalls aren't as stiff as I would personally like.
Very true
PSS is an old tyre now, 10+ years? Thinking back Le Mans and the fanfare there. I've pretty much been a Michelin fanboy ever since owning a car (ah forgot about the Pirelli P6000). Had some shocking tyres from "decent" brands from dealership supplied cars etc. Bridgestone being the highlight from Seat, BMW and Volvo. Had Falken very breifly and thought they were utter crap on my Seat Leon Cupra.I know someone who has a Toyota GR Supra and the SC7 "transformed" his car. I know the alignment on my M2 isn't spot on, which won't help. At the beginning of the year I was going to get the M performance coliovers and a trip to Gravity Center, but never went through with it. Spent the money on a holiday instead to Cape Verde.
I don't do big miles, hence why I still have the original PSS on the car from when I purchased it from Partrige BMW in Jan 2019. Just ticked over 38k and all I do is drive it to work, drive it home and dump it on the driveway. Pre covid I used to take it out to Goodwood for breakfast on Sunday's etc.
Interesting, you've reminded me about the sidewall feedback and stiffness that I've seen in various car / video comments.
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I don't know what you base your opinion on, but mine is based on having MPSS and PS4S back-to-back on my M3, M5 and M2, plus MPSS alone on my Z4 35i (replaced by CSC5) and on this M2C, which will be replaced with CSC7 when the time comes. Plus CSC7 on the McLaren. I've done at least 40k miles on each of the MPSS and PS4S tyres, plus around 8k miles on CSC7 now.
The MPSS is the better dry tyre - independent data shows it is superior in dry braking distance testing and also in lap times. The PS4S is definitely the better tyre for general UK conditions, especially if you don't care about steering feel but do care about noise. CSC7 has both beat by a fair margin.
You are proposing the MPSS fits in between the MPS4S and CSC7, in the dry that gap is very small. There is a <1% gap between the two.
CSC7 shines in the wet where tha gap is much larger.
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I have also driven, going away from the OEM * star marked MPSS fit, and it isn't close, especially when it comes to rear grip. Tyre technology has moved on a lot.
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Rear grip on my M2 is awful, but tyres aren’t new, conditions etc. I’d normal switch to winters in December.
I’m also not changing whilst I still have 4/5mm so I can’t see it happening until next year. It also won’t happen as 18s are on atm following a puncture and winter set will go on at some point. I’ve got three sets of alloys. Why indeed. 18s to improve road handling of M2.
By which time I’ll be bored and fed up with UK roads lol
Michelin PS4 on the Mini have worn out my quicker compared to previous OEM primacy. They’ll get changed for PS5. Friend of mine is running those on his 964, great road tyre apparently.
I’m also not changing whilst I still have 4/5mm so I can’t see it happening until next year. It also won’t happen as 18s are on atm following a puncture and winter set will go on at some point. I’ve got three sets of alloys. Why indeed. 18s to improve road handling of M2.
By which time I’ll be bored and fed up with UK roads lol
Michelin PS4 on the Mini have worn out my quicker compared to previous OEM primacy. They’ll get changed for PS5. Friend of mine is running those on his 964, great road tyre apparently.
Which is it?
I wonder why... Driving mine the other night, 5c ambient temp but bone dry and I was able to use full throttle all the way through 2nd and (where legal and safe to do so...) 3rd. You just need a little bit of heat in them and to be smoother while they warm up to get the best from them. Cold and damp conditions is a different story, obviously.
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Ive got the PS5 on my Fiesta, bit overkill I think, but I had PS4 previously on it as standard when I purchased it, the ps4 were due changing and they had these wear cracks on the sides of the tread that looked bad, so wanted to try a different tyre, and the ps5 were only a little bit more so thought why not. I only got them fitted in August, Ive also never in my 21 years of driving changed to winter tyres.
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Has anyone had the CSC7 on track and can comment on how they are, particularly around overheating?
Had my 130i on track last week with the Goodyear Eagle F1 A5's and even in 8c temps, they went off after like 3 laps. Same thing happened a few years ago on my Mini Cooper S - they just overheat like crazy. I guess it doesn't help that they have (had) about 6mm tread on them also.
Had my 130i on track last week with the Goodyear Eagle F1 A5's and even in 8c temps, they went off after like 3 laps. Same thing happened a few years ago on my Mini Cooper S - they just overheat like crazy. I guess it doesn't help that they have (had) about 6mm tread on them also.
They're going to be the same as any other UHP road tyre, good for 1-2 laps then they will overheat. If you do regular track days, unless it's raining get something suitable to track.
Well some UHP tyres are much better are resisting track temperatures. I've had MPSS and MPS4S's on track and they've managed far far better, for 5-10 laps at a time even in a heavier car. The Goodyear's can't handle 3 laps before they just go flobbery.
I was considering the Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersports which again, I've had on track and did quite well lap after lap. However, I wanted to see how the CSC7 does as it's a tyre which seems to have moved the game forward by quite a leap.
I was considering the Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersports which again, I've had on track and did quite well lap after lap. However, I wanted to see how the CSC7 does as it's a tyre which seems to have moved the game forward by quite a leap.
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Agreed, friends of mine run Nankang AR-1, Michelin Cup2 and Trofeo. I don't do track days, so I can't comment between what's great or not.
CSC7 is far too road-biased to be great on track if you're actually leaning on them. I didn't pound them around a racetrack but I did use them hard on a day at Millbrook and they were perfectly fine in short bursts but they got very hot quite quickly when sustaining hard cornering so I'd expect they'd melt pretty badly on track, especially on a hot summer day in a heavy car.
Cheers for the replies. I'm not realy looking for a proper track tyre as I will be using the car on the road for 99% of the miles it'll do (including snow, rain and ice), but something that could handle a few track days. Likewise, I can't be bothered to buy and store new rims with track tyres on them. f I was going to be doing loads I'd have to go for a full track day tyre. I've had tyres like the Yokohama AD08R which were great on track, but terrible as soon as it rained, so wouldn't really be suitable.
I've watched Tyre Reviews video on the UUHP tyres in 2023 and he says the Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersport or the CSC7 is perfect for a fast road tyre that can handle the odd trackday. I'll just have to do shorter stints with more cool down laps. So I think i'll give the CSC7 a go as they seemed to utterly blow away the competition.
I've watched Tyre Reviews video on the UUHP tyres in 2023 and he says the Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersport or the CSC7 is perfect for a fast road tyre that can handle the odd trackday. I'll just have to do shorter stints with more cool down laps. So I think i'll give the CSC7 a go as they seemed to utterly blow away the competition.
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Plus they are really cheap for some reason.
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Yeh I noticed that. My tyres are the lovely 225/40/18 size which means I should be able to get these for around £90 each fitted if I wait for a 15% off Blackcircles discount code
I'm not in any hurry tbh, the Goodyear Eagle F1A5's have still got loads of tread on them and it'd be a shame to waste them. The Pilot Sport 5S might be out by the time I need them which should bring Michelin's next gen tech with them.
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MPSS is far worse than the CSC7 and MPS4S. The CSC7 and MPS4S are almost identical in the dry.
Remember you opened with MPSS is better in the dry than the MPS4S, but the CSC7 is way better (beats both by a fair margin). Proven by independent data you said.
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My dad has been offered a set of wheels and winter tyres for his 718 GTS for £800. Haven’t even been used. Bought from Porsche with the car, but the guy ended up selling the car before ever putting them on.
I’ve said that I don’t think it’s worth it - don’t see the point running winters on a Cayman as the weather isn’t bad enough down on the south coast.
But has anyone got any experience/thoughts?
I’ve said that I don’t think it’s worth it - don’t see the point running winters on a Cayman as the weather isn’t bad enough down on the south coast.
But has anyone got any experience/thoughts?