**Unofficial Tyre Thread**

[Rroff]

Don't disagree with any of that but still doesn't explain why the second tyre in your example performs better than the first tyre in most real world scenarios.

Not really sure what you are struggling with - in most real world scenarios where you need to brake moderately hard through to emergency braking are often more complicated than just a straight line stop on a regular surface and so the second tyre can be far more composed and controlled in those circumstances making for a safer situation - it isn't necessarily always the case but it is not an unusual story that the tyre which stops the quickest doesn't necessarily have the best performance where more finesse is required.

I might not be able to explain it very well but I've driven a lot of miles on a lot of different tyres and seen it for myself.

 

[Kenai]

Not really sure what you are struggling with

Why the second tyre in your example is going to be better than the first tyre in 'most' real world scenarios.

I get that a single synthetic test can't reflect absolutely all possible conditions you might encounter in reality but i'm not following the logic that means a worse performing tyre in a particular test therefore is better in most real world scenarios.

 

[Rroff]

Why the second tyre in your example is going to be better than the first tyre in 'most' real world scenarios.

I get that a single synthetic test can't reflect absolutely all possible conditions you might encounter in reality but i'm not following the logic that means a worse performing tyre in a particular test therefore is better in most real world scenarios.

I'm not saying every time the second tyre would always be better, maybe my wording wasn't the greatest originally though I did liberally sprinkle "might" in there, but there are a lot of cases where the best performing tyre in a wet full stop synthetic test isn't actually the best out of the other close performing tyres for bringing you to a controlled stop in the most common real world situations where you will be braking hard.

 

[Kenai]

I'm not saying every time the second tyre would always be better

Maybe that's where i'm getting lost then, because that was how I read it, hence repeatedly asking 'why would it be?' whilst you're answering with how it could be. I don't disagree it could be, I just didn't get where the idea was coming from that it would be in most scenarios.

 

[Rroff]

Maybe that's where i'm getting lost then, because that was how I read it, hence repeatedly asking 'why would it be?' whilst you're answering with how it could be. I don't disagree it could be, I just didn't get where the idea was coming from that it would be in most scenarios.

Maybe I'm not qualified to say most would be - but I've driven on and/or own(ed) and done a lot of miles on ultra performance through to off-road tyres and often owned several of the tyres from roundups and found what actually is the safest/best tyre for things like wet braking, beyond just a straight line test, doesn't necessarily stack up as per the synthetic benchmark order - though obviously there can be other factors there like just using a different car to the the one used in the testing.

 

[ver01@]

Maybe I'm not qualified to say most would be - but I've driven on and/or own(ed) and done a lot of miles on ultra performance through to off-road tyres and often owned several of the tyres from roundups and found what actually is the safest/best tyre for things like wet braking, beyond just a straight line test, doesn't necessarily stack up as per the synthetic benchmark order - though obviously there can be other factors there like just using a different car to the the one used in the testing.

I can think of at least a dozen of different variables from the above that would make any direct comparison invalid.

 

[bingham67]

I must admit, after trying Pilot Sport 4's , Bridgestone Turanza 6, and Toyo Proxes 2, I can't really tell a massive difference in any of them. I guess....... PS4's got a very slight edge in wet but then they suck when it gets cold like below 4c.

Bridgestone's were dodgy in the wear in period, I mean I know you need to take it easy but those in particular I really noticed it, they were fine after a little while.

I tried Kumho in the past, were good enough I suppose, but I find the above 3 are a slight step up.

Landsail below all of those.

Anyway, basically with the cost of tyres these days, I'm not sure it's worth going absolute top end premium, the top end of mid range seem fine to me.

Hear you on not noticing much difference on PS4S ive had Pirelli P-Zero for abit before, I would say I noticed over them I think originally.

Ive got Bridgestone S005 on my M135i now and dont notice any difference over Michelin PS4S really maybe slightly better in wet, I would say I thought bedding in period was worse on Michelin was going sideways for abit around roundabout and my car four wheel drive it was wet though

Michelin PS4S star marked have been discontinued for my car though not sure on standard, the self seal done it job though still operates very well, when I had them swapped out there was a nail in every tyre Im thinking historically though I swear Michelin are nail finders.

At least ive got a well stocked tyre for my car now though you can get it off the shelf in a lot of places so good for replacement, for price difference not worth it for more expensive brands imo.