US election 2012

[Naff8000]

"Some girls, they rape so easy"


Just... Wow.

The phrase 'only in America' is so backward these days. How the hell is that guy in office.

 

[Theophany]

I have presented a coherent, well-reasoned argument. I can't claim it's impartial, but it does have the facts on its side and that's always a good sign. This is not mere gloating, it's a considered analysis of the reasons for the Republicans' failure; reasons they themselves have admitted.

If you believe I have quoted from 'horrendously biased sources', please identify them, prove they are 'horrendously biased', and list any errors.

I did identify them. Read before replying.

Posting images of Republican candidates who have lost is not "reasoned analysis", it's showboating. Endzone dancing. Whatever you want to call it. As by your own words, you're not impartial, ergo it's valueless.

 

[Skeptic]

Does somebody say 'Now Barack, calm down' just before he cries in that video?

 

[LateX'Dog]

Looks like America voted for the establishment yet again.

Long live Ron Paul

 

[Naffa]

Looks like America voted for the establishment yet again.

Long live Ron Paul

Yes, it would have been much better to pull down the last barriers to unfettered corporate tyranny.

I wonder when people keep harping on about Ron Paul, what they really think about this?

What a great tribute to our liberty, that people who are unable to get health insurance be left to die. But in all fairness, he did come out later and say that it wouldn't matter because the church would take care of him, or something like that.

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

Ron Paul is an utter tool!

“It would help the poor people who need jobs. Minimum wage is a mandate. We’re against mandates so why should we have it? It would be very beneficial.”

~Ron Paul, saying that abolishing the minimum wage would help poor people.

“I will veto any spending bill that contains funding for Planned Parenthood, facilities that perform abortion and all government family planning schemes.”

~Ron Paul, declaring that he will end crucial medical care and medical services for women such as cancer screenings.

“A state can decide. We don’t need somebody in Washington. I live on the gulf coast, we deal with hurricanes all the time. The local people rebuild the city. Built a sea wall and they survived without FEMA. We should be like 1900, we should be like 1940 1950 1960."

~Ron Paul, calling for the end of FEMA just as Hurricane Irene was slamming the east coast, costing many lives and a lot of damage.

His also a homophobic, racist, opposed to the separation of church and state, obsession with guns, discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation, disaster for environmental issues, would deny women control of their bodies and reproductive right ...... etc ...etc
The list is endless as is the stupidity of Ron Paul, he is a vile human being and his plans/ideas would be disastrous for America!


I see a few right wingers here are stuck in the same bubble as the Republicans and Fox (so-called)News have been in for the last 12 months or so

 

[Strife212]

His also a homophobic, racist, opposed to the separation of church and state, obsession with guns, discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation, disaster for environmental issues, would deny women control of their bodies and reproductive right ...... etc ...etc

Bit of a misrepresentation in my opinion. He has strong beliefs but he seems like a decent guy.

Half of that stuff is just made up.

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

Half of that stuff is just made up.

Oh really ??

You clearly know nothing about Ron Pauls policies, I suggest you go research him before you make yourself look even more ignorant!

 

[Strife212]

I know all about Ron Paul thanks.

He does support the abolition of a LOT of Federal Government stuff but that's because he thinks things should be controlled at a local level. Fair enough it may not work in reality but I don't think hes a vile person as you said. He also opposes indefinite detention, the iraq war, US overseas millitary deployments.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

This is a great video. If you watch him giving his pre-planned speeches he very rarely, if ever, says 'um' or 'ah' because he knows what the next line is and the pauses are intentional. He's an amazing speaker.

This video feels far more unscripted and the emotions unexpected (to both us and him) and real.

Brilliant oratory skills and a great video.

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

I know all about Ron Paul thanks.

He does support the abolition of a LOT of Federal Government stuff but that's because he thinks things should be controlled at a local level. Fair enough it may not work in reality but I don't think hes a vile person as you said. He also opposes indefinite detention, the iraq war, US overseas millitary deployments.

Ron Paul does not value equal rights for minorities

Ron Paul has sponsored legislation that would repeal affirmative action, keep the IRS from investigating private schools who may have used race as a factor in denying entrance, thus losing their tax exempt status, would limit the scope of Brown versus Board of Education, and would deny citizenship for those born in the US if their parents are not citizens.

Here are links to these bills: H.R.3863, H.R.5909, H.J.RES.46, and H.J.RES.42.



Ron Paul would deny women control of their bodies and reproductive rights

Ron Paul makes it very clear that one of his aims is to repeal Roe v. Wade. He has also co sponsored 4 separate bills to “To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.” This, of course, goes against current medical and scientific information as well as our existing laws and precedents.

Please see these links: H.R.2597 and H.R.392



Ron Paul would be disastrous for the working class

He supports abolishing the Federal minimum wage, has twice introduced legislation to repeal OSHA, or the Occupational Safety and Health Act and would deal devastating blows to Social Security including repealing the act that makes it mandatory for employees of nonprofits, to make “coverage completely optional for both present and future workers”, and would “freeze benefit levels”. He has also twice sponsored legislation seeking to repeal the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act which among other things provide that contractors for the federal government must provide the prevailing wage and prohibits corporate “kick backs.”

Here are the related legislative links: H.R.2030, H.R.4604, H.R.736, and H.R.2720



Ron Paul’s tax plan is unfair to lower earners and would greatly benefit those with the highest incomes

He has repeatedly submitted amendments to the tax code that would get rid of the estate and gift taxes, tax all earners at 10%, disallow income tax credits to individuals who are not corporations, repeal the elderly tax credit, child care credit, earned income credit, and other common credits for working class citizens

Please see this link for more information: H.R.05484 Summary




Ron Paul’s policies would cause irreparable damage to our already strained environment

Among other travesties he supports off shore drilling, building more oil refineries, mining on federal lands, no taxes on the production of fuel, and would stop conservation efforts that could be a “Federal obstacle” to building and maintaining refineries. He has also sought to amend the Clean Air Act, repeal the Soil and Water Conservation Act of 1977, and to amend the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to “restrict the jurisdiction of the United States over the discharge of dredged or fill material to discharges into waters”.

To see for yourself the possible extent of the damage to the environment that would happen under a Paul administration please follow these links: H.R.2504, H.R.7079, H.R.7245, H.R.2415, H.R.393, H.R.4639, H.R.5293, and H.R.6936



A Ron Paul administration would continue to proliferate the negative image of the US among other nations

Ron Paul supports withdrawing the US from the UN, when that has not happened he has fought to at least have the US withdrawn from the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He has introduced legislation to keep the US from giving any funds to the UN. He also submitted that the US funds should not be used in any UN peacekeeping mission or any UN program at all. He has sponsored a bill calling for us to “terminate all participation by the United States in the United Nations, and to remove all privileges, exemptions, and immunities of the United Nations.”Ron Paul twice supported stopping the destruction of intercontinental ballistic missile silos in the United States. He also would continue with Bush’s plan of ignoring international laws by maintaining an insistence that the International Criminal Court does not apply to the US, despite President Clinton’s signature on the original treaty. The International Criminal Court is used for, among other things, prosecution of war crimes.

Please see the following links: H.R.3891, H.AMDT.191, H.AMDT.190, H.R.3769, H.R.1665, H.CON.RES.23, and H.R.1154



Ron Paul discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation and would not provide equal rights and protections to glbt citizens

This is an issue that Paul sort of dances around. He has been praised for stating that the federal government should not regulate who a person marries. This has been construed by some to mean that he is somewhat open to the idea of same sex marriage, he is not. Paul was an original co sponsor of the Marriage Protection Act in the House in 2004. Among other things this discriminatory piece of legislation placed a prohibition on the recognition of a same sex marriage across state borders. He said in 2004 that if he was in the Texas legislature he would not allow judges to come up with “new definitions” of marriage. Paul is a very religious conservative and though he is careful with his words his record shows that he is not a supporter of same sex marriage. In 1980 he introduced a particularly bigoted bill entitled “A bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955 A direct quote from the legislation “Prohibits the expenditure of Federal funds to any organization which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style.” shows that he is unequivocally opposed to lifestyles other than heterosexual.

Ron Paul has an unnatural obsession with guns

One of Paul’s loudest gripes is that the second amendment of the constitution is being eroded. In fact, he believes that September 11 would not have happened if that wasn’t true. He advocates for there to be no restrictions on personal ownership of semi-automatic weaponry or large capacity ammunition feeding devices, would repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act (because we all know our schools are just missing more guns), wants guns to be allowed in our National Parks, and repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968. Now, I’m pretty damn certain that when the Constitution was written our founding fathers never intended for people to be walking around the streets with AK47′s and “large capacity ammunition feeding devices.” (That just sounds scary.) Throughout the years our Constitution has been amended and is indeed a living document needing changes to stay relevant in our society. Paul has no problem changing the Constitution when it fits his needs, such as no longer allowing those born in the US to be citizens if their parents are not. On the gun issue though he is no holds barred. I know he’s from Texas but really, common sense tells us that the amendments he is seeking to repeal have their place. In fact, the gun control act was put into place after the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., and Robert Kennedy. Please view the following links: H.R.2424, H.R.1897, H.R.1096, H.R.407, H.R.1147, and H.R.3892.

Ron Paul would butcher our already sad educational system

The fact is that Ron Paul wants to privatize everything and that includes education. Where we run into problems is that it has been shown (think our current health care system) that this doesn’t work so well in practice. Ron Paul has introduced legislation that would keep the Federal Government “from planning, developing, implementing, or administering any national teacher test or method of certification and from withholding funds from States or local educational agencies that fail to adopt a specific method of teacher certification.” In a separate piece of legislation he seeks to “prohibit the payment of Federal Education assistance in States which require the licensing or certification of private schools or private school teachers.” So basically the federal government can’t regulate teaching credentials and if states opt to require them for private schools they get no aid. That sounds like a marvelous idea teachers with no certification teaching in private schools that are allowed to discriminate on the basis of race. He is certainly moving forward with these proposals!Remember his “bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955? Guess what? He basically advocates for segregation in schools once again. It “Forbids any court of the United States from requiring the attendance at a particular school of any student because of race, color, creed, or sex.” Without thinking about this statement it doesn’t sound bad at all. But remember, when desegregating schools that this is done by having children go to different schools, often after a court decision as in Brown Vs. Board of Education. If this were a bill that passed, schools would no longer be compelled to comply and the schools would go back to segregation based on their locations. Ron Paul is really starting to look like a pretty bigoted guy don’t you think?

Ron Paul is opposed to the separation of church and state

This reason is probably behind every other thing that I disagree with in regards to Paul’s positions. Ron Paul is among those who believes that there is a war on religion, he stated “Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view.” (( Koyaanisqatsi Blog: Wrong Paul Why I Do Not Want Ron Paul to be My President )) Though he talks a good talk, at times, Ron Paul can’t get away from his far right, conservative views. He would support “alternative views” to evolution taught in public schools (i.e. Intelligent Design.) We’ve already taken a look at his “bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955
Besides hating the gays he takes a very religious stance on many other things. He is attempting to force his beliefs on the rest of America, exactly what he would do as president.

 

[Strife212]

Stuff

Spoiler

Abortion

Paul calls himself "strongly pro-life" and "an unshakable foe of abortion". Paul refers to his background as an obstetrician as being influential on his view, recalling inadvertently witnessing a late-term abortion performed by one of his instructors during his residency, "It was pretty dramatic for me to see a two-and-a-half-pound baby taken out crying and breathing and put in a bucket." Paul has said that the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution do not grant the federal government any authority to legalize or ban abortion, stating that "the federal government has no authority whatsoever to involve itself in the abortion issue."

GLBT Issues

In a 2007 interview, Paul said that he supported the right of gay couples to marry, so long as they didn't "impose" their relationship on anyone else, on the grounds of supporting voluntary associations. He also said, "Matter of fact, I'd like to see all governments out of the marriage question. I don't think it's a state function, I think it's a religious function." Paul has stated that in a best case scenario, governments would enforce contracts and grant divorces but otherwise have no say in marriage. He has also said he doesn't want to interfere in the free association of two individuals in a social, sexual, and religious sense

Racism

Affirmative action
In 1997, Paul voted to end affirmative action in college admissions. Paul criticizes both racism and obsession with racial identity.
“Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called “diversity” actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist. The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.” -Ron Paul

 

[Sankari]

Ron Paul is a funny little man with a hopelessly distorted view of the world which is fortunately shared by a relatively small number of people, including two cows from upstate New Mexico and a dead pigeon in San Antonio.

Paul has no credibility in politics due to the fact that he believes he's the practically only person who interprets the Constitution correctly.

Paul is a political irrelevance.

 

[Castiel]

This is a great video. If you watch him giving his pre-planned speeches he very rarely, if ever, says 'um' or 'ah' because he knows what the next line is and the pauses are intentional. He's an amazing speaker.

This video feels far more unscripted and the emotions unexpected (to both us and him) and real.

Brilliant oratory skills and a great video.

I agree, Obama makes you want to believe what he is saying, Romney just sounds like he is paying you lip service.

 

[StriderX]

I agree, Obama makes you want to believe what he is saying, Romney just sounds like he is paying you lip service.

I don't know, honestly both ways suck.

As the simple fact is that what they say, they rarely do/can do.

So you are either getting a slight disappoint over a HUGE disappointment, both of which will just be a sore on the American identity and civility in years to come.

When you cant deliver, neither do the citizens. (Did not used to be this way, but times change, nations become stale and grandma dies.)

 

[Flying Squirrel]

Got to love NAACP and black democrats using the race card all the time. The fact is blacks are the ones always beating whites in streets and murdering them not the other way around. Who are the real racists in modern society? oh wait they're not racists because their ancestors were oppressed.

 

[Castiel]

Got to love NAACP and black democrats using the race card all the time. The fact is blacks are the ones always beating whites in streets and murdering them not the other way around. Who are the real racists in modern society? oh wait they're not racists because their ancestors were oppressed.

It seems in the short time you have been a member you have made an inordinate amount of posts referencing various prejudicial topics expounding nothing more than racism and antisemitism. While it seems obvious that you are probably a returnee, I also find it hard to believe anyone could be so stupid as to be so transparent about it in so short a time.

 

[Theophany]

Got to love NAACP and black democrats using the race card all the time. The fact is blacks are the ones always beating whites in streets and murdering them not the other way around. Who are the real racists in modern society? oh wait they're not racists because their ancestors were oppressed.

Oh god... here we go...

 

[BunnyKillBot]

Got to love NAACP and black democrats using the race card all the time. The fact is blacks are the ones always beating whites in streets and murdering them not the other way around. Who are the real racists in modern society? oh wait they're not racists because their ancestors were oppressed.

ignore list plus one, although I expect you to get banned soon

 

[Flying Squirrel]

Ohio democrats place fake tea party flyers

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/06/...voters-to-defeat-the-nger-in-the-white-house/


Damn maybe Diane Abbot was right about those divide and rule.

ignore list plus one, although I expect you to get banned soon

Yes they like to ban people for no reason. Not stopped people coming back for the millionth time.