*** Valve Steam Machine ***

So, if I was to build a SFF PC for living room gaming I'd be best to purchase an AMD GPU ?

Yes.

Although I've tried Linux on Intel-based PCs I'd lean towards an AMD GPU particularly for a Linux gaming PC. I'm currently running SteamOS on my lounge PC which is my old gaming rig and is a 6650XT and runs great. Only issue is the intro/splash screens being choppy but that might be my HDMI cable tbh.

Although you'll more than likely be fine. My 3 week old new PC built on AM5 with an 9070XT has has horrendous stability issues (AMD pageflip bugs). I've finally managed to get this stable adding a few boot parameters for now which isn't ideal (amdgpu.dpm and amdgpu.runpm). But like Windows there are some bugs/issues that can impact you.
 
People trying to scalp these already in for a rude awakening if they think people are going to pay anywhere close to double the asking price, nevermind listing them on eBay for x3 the asking price
 
An alternative to the Steam Machine people who are really into tinkering might want to look into is a BC250 build. It is a whole computer on a package the size of a GPU and is basically a failed PS5 that was sold to crypto miners. It is definitely only for people who are enthusiasts though as the build is quite involved.

It is perhaps only slightly slower than the Steam Machine but costs half the price all in.
 
FWIW Bazzite, SteamOS and CachyOS (Handheld Edition) are essentially all doing a very similar thing; bundling a load of packages like the kernel, Valve's Gamescope compositor (lightweight, gaming mode), Proton software layer for emulating Windows code etc into a one install-able image. SteamOS is typically older versions of those parts and has less stuff included, where as Bazzite & CachyOS include more software by default. Bazzite has a slight difference in terms of being build on Fedora Linux rather than Arch Linux like SteamOS & CachyOS.

Personally I've found SteamOS to be faster in-terms of installing and start-up, but they end-up all doing the same job and looking the same. If youi're only ever downloading Steam games and don't intend to do anything else then SteamOS is arguably good enough to use on non-Valve hardware now.

In terms of hardware if you have an AMD, or Intel build you should have a relatively good time with any of them although there are still things like WiFi cards, or bugs that can catch you out. Nvidia isn't supported in Gamescope and therefore you can't currently install without issues. Bazzite warns you as much on the download pages.

Any of them largely work very well with just a controller, but you still get games which have annoying UI, or launchers that can break the controller experience. Borderlands 2 is an example where the splash screen that you can't navigate past with just an XB controller. You need trackpads, or keyboard and mouse to type '-nolauncher' into the properties. Stuff like this unfortunately still happens from time-to-time so every so often you might need to grab a kb&m, or have a small keyboard like the Logitech K400r around in-case.

Bazzite does work on Nvidia GPUs, maybe not officially supported or quite as seamlessly/performant as AMD, but it does work.

SteamOS on the other hand wouldn't even try to install for me, although this was 6 months ago, so maybe recent updates will have changed that
 
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Bazzite does work on Nvidia GPUs, maybe not officially supported or quite as seamlessly/performant as AMD, but it does work.

Steam is on the other hand wouldn't even try to install for me, although this was 6 months ago, so maybe recent updates will have changed that

Isn't that because Valve's own Gamescope compositor/Gaming mode doesn't support Nviida GPUs?

There is a huge warning on the Bazzite page for their 'HTPC version' if you choose Nvidia (or Intel) from the dropdown menu. And I do remember Linus in their recent Linux challenge/LTT video having to abandon installing Bazzite on a Nvidia GPU as he just couldn't get anywhere with it. So I just assumed it's very much beta at this stage and not worth bothering with. Apologies if that's incorrect. I know Bazzite will absolutely work in Desktop mode just fine and sorta related to that I have installed Fedora 44 KDE on an old Nvidia 1070 based laptop and it works fine. Although the card is now only supported in the legacy drivers.
 
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Isn't that because Valve's own Gamescope compositor/Gaming mode doesn't support Nviida GPUs?

There is a huge warning on the Bazzite page for their 'HTPC version' if you choose Nvidia (or Intel) from the dropdown menu. And I do remember Linus in their recent Linux challenge/LTT video having to abandon installing Bazzite on a Nvidia GPU as he just couldn't get anywhere with it. So I just assumed it's very much beta at this stage and not worth bothering with. Apologies if that's incorrect. I know Bazzite will absolutely work in Desktop mode just fine and sorta related to that I have installed Fedora 44 KDE on an old Nvidia 1070 based laptop and it works fine. Although the card is now only supported in the legacy drivers.

Ah, it might be just the HTPC version then, I have it installed on my old Acer Predator with a 2070 Max-Q and it works fine, but I did go for the desktop version.

That being said, I would definitely go full AMD if I was building a system specifically for it.
 
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Ah, it might be just the HTPC version then, I have it installed on my old Acer Predator with a 2070 Max-Q and it works fine, but I did go for the desktop version.

That being said, I would definitely go full AMD if I was building a system specifically for it.

Ah OK, yep desktop version will be good.

Once Valve & Nvidia make Gamescope compatible this will filter down to Bazzite, CachyOS Handheld etc.

And yes all AMD is the way to go on a lounge gaming PC.
 
Isn't that because Valve's own Gamescope compositor/Gaming mode doesn't support Nviida GPUs?

There is a huge warning on the Bazzite page for their 'HTPC version' if you choose Nvidia (or Intel) from the dropdown menu. And I do remember Linus in their recent Linux challenge/LTT video having to abandon installing Bazzite on a Nvidia GPU as he just couldn't get anywhere with it. So I just assumed it's very much beta at this stage and not worth bothering with. Apologies if that's incorrect. I know Bazzite will absolutely work in Desktop mode just fine and sorta related to that I have installed Fedora 44 KDE on an old Nvidia 1070 based laptop and it works fine. Although the card is now only supported in the legacy drivers.
For bazzitte and and Nvidia GPU there is the option to download the image for desktop mode rather than boot straight into steam mode. If you select Nvidia GPU and straight into steam mode image if gives you a warning that it doesn't play nice. I used the desktop image with my 3080ti and all worked fine. No crashes, tools to undervolt the GPU etc are available. Only thing that needs to be toggled for steam big picture mode to work properly is hardware acceleration. Otherwise navigating around steam is laggy.
 
Got a reservation but will probably pass though i would like a controller. Would probably just build some bits if i want
 
Unfortunately for me, I feel like I am being priced out of my hobby. I can't ever see prices going back to the way they were before.

I suspect the next consoles will be released and sold as a subscription service with the option to buy outright if you like, just like the £1000+ phone market. If consoles are £1000+, PC components aren't likely to be cheaper.

At the other end of the market you have the kids who have little to no interest in the types of games us millennials play. They are playing Roblox. Nintendo might convert a few of them but they will most likely never be interested enough to invest £1000+ into a console / PC.

It kind of makes me mad that gamers never take a stand as a large group and just say no. No we won't pay a price that we know is inflated. I know AI is mostly to blame at the moment but the industry has been headed this direction for years without the help of AI.

I guess I am mainly talking about hardware as you can pick up the games for pretty cheap on sale so long as you are patient. It just makes me sad as someone who's first console was a SNES and lived through the fast technological progress in video games that now we are at the point of mega expensive hardware for relatively minor improvements in fidelity.

I actually think that is the reason the Steam Machine annoys me so much. Valve are asking for a tremendous amount of money for a piece of hardware that is a regression in many ways. The only new thing it brings is CEC on the PC and a small form factor and let's be honest that is kind of boring. It feels like such a missed opportunity. It could have been an exciting product if it was priced the same as a PS5 and was manufactured in volume. A PC console that could go toe to toe with Sony and Microsoft and ignite more competition in the space. Valve could have subsidised it to make that a reality, they print money, but no (yes the AI crisis stops that being a reality too). Instead it is condemned to become a niche product and something not many people are likely to be excited about. Shame.
Seeing not only AMD rereleasing a 5 year old CPU for over £300 but people lapping it up like they've just been gifted another bowl of slop has cemented my opinion that we're absolutely doomed. It's like seeing apple fans when they started charging £1000 for a friggin phone, the masses don't care they just have to have it.
 
An alternative to the Steam Machine people who are really into tinkering might want to look into is a BC250 build. It is a whole computer on a package the size of a GPU and is basically a failed PS5 that was sold to crypto miners. It is definitely only for people who are enthusiasts though as the build is quite involved.

It is perhaps only slightly slower than the Steam Machine but costs half the price all in.
My friend is building one of these for another of our friends who only has a Steam Deck. He's 3D-printed the case and is just waiting for the BC250 and PSU to arrive, quite intrigued to see how it turns out once built.
 
My friend is building one of these for another of our friends who only has a Steam Deck. He's 3D-printed the case and is just waiting for the BC250 and PSU to arrive, quite intrigued to see how it turns out once built.

They're really cool for what they are! The 16 gig total memory and very stripped down feature set with the odd cooling have their limitations but as a proof of concept for what the steam machine was planned to be it's a good way to do couch gaming pc.
 
An alternative to the Steam Machine people who are really into tinkering might want to look into is a BC250 build. It is a whole computer on a package the size of a GPU and is basically a failed PS5 that was sold to crypto miners. It is definitely only for people who are enthusiasts though as the build is quite involved.

It is perhaps only slightly slower than the Steam Machine but costs half the price all in.

I wish I had a use case for this as I'd definitely buy one.

There's a thread here:

 
I wish I had a use case for this as I'd definitely buy one.

There's a thread here:


I was very close to buying one earlier this year but I thought the power supply situation was kind of sketchy so didn't bother.
 
Seeing not only AMD rereleasing a 5 year old CPU for over £300 but people lapping it up like they've just been gifted another bowl of slop has cemented my opinion that we're absolutely doomed. It's like seeing apple fans when they started charging £1000 for a friggin phone, the masses don't care they just have to have it.

Because not enough people are dying or going hungry.

Dispite all the doom and gloom in the media about AI and jobs losses. People still have money to spend on luxuries and the banks love it.
 
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Because not enough people are not dying or going hungry.

Dispite all the doom and gloom in the media about AI and jobs losses. People still have money to spend on luxuries and the banks love it.
Blimey! People aren’t dying or starving? And have money to spend on luxuries? That sounds brilliant to me! Long may it continue!
 
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