Or stop the game, award the goal, kick off from the centre circle.
VARcical Decision
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I know I was just being facetious mate and just repeating what England and Cook were saying over and over and over and over again.
Well it is true though isn’t it. If the ref makes a mistake, the VAR tells him and the game is stopped. eg a red card foul being missed.
so whilst I know people like dermot Gallagher keep on saying they’re powerless to stop the game, that’s only from the POV that theres no basis in the laws for a VAR to be the one that makes a mistake. But there is basis for VAR to stop the game. They do it all the time. That’s what the button is for.
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Regardless, now the audio has been released and everyone can see how much of a clown show VAR can be lets hope they get these changes/improvements in place as soon as possible.
Taking bets on the next game they mess up in though, people think the weekend is to soon or will they be on their toes knowing there is extra scruitiny?
Taking bets on the next game they mess up in though, people think the weekend is to soon or will they be on their toes knowing there is extra scruitiny?
Didn't they mess up the next day? Brentford should have had a penalty shouldn't they?
bloody good point actually
Maybe as the audio has been released they will be a bit more focused?
No, it's not. The current protocols only allow them to intervene before the next restart - so if the ref misses a red card challenge, they have until the next restart to overturn the decision.
As soon as Spurs take the free-kick for offside, protocols mean the VAR shouldn't now pull the game back. As I said, they had the option to ignore that (and if they did I think they'd have ultimately been praised for putting the spirit of the game before red tape) and then they were given the authority to do it by the boss at Stockley Park.
I don't think it's fair to brand it a 'nonsense' comment. There's multiple angles at play:
a) Are we worse off in this situation than if we didn't have VAR - no we are not (in pure game outcome terms, ignoring all the controversy obviously)
b) Given we do have VAR, what do we need to do better.
It's point a) he's referring to, and it leans into my earlier comment about growing tired of all the media discussion, because even with mistakes like this we are still better off than what we used to have, when there was far less media debate.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't also be addressing point b) as well, of course.
People understandably want [close to] 100% accuracy from VAR but the reality is even at 80% it still significantly reduces the miscarriages of justice we used to have to put up with. 80% isn't good enough, nobody is claiming it is, but the shambles we used to have to put up with from on field officials always seemed to blow over a lot quicker than this VAR stuff.
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A big part of the problem is football being football - i.e. they keep it all secretive until pressured into releasing audio etc. No one has a clue whats going on fans, tv viewers or the pundits.
In both Rugby and Cricket the ref and the VAR/umpires/etc can all be heard on air calmly talking the decisions through.
The officials in both those sports sound far more professional than the low rent idiots gabbling away at each other on that audio clip - despite the Premier League having boatloads more cash to throw at these things than either Rugby or cricket.
In both Rugby and Cricket the ref and the VAR/umpires/etc can all be heard on air calmly talking the decisions through.
The officials in both those sports sound far more professional than the low rent idiots gabbling away at each other on that audio clip - despite the Premier League having boatloads more cash to throw at these things than either Rugby or cricket.
No, he's not asking for one he's giving his opinion.Is klopp actually asking for a replay
"As a football person the only outcome should be a replay…probably won’t happen. The argument against that will be if we open that gate everyone will ask for it"
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Maybe I didn't explain what I was getting at properly. He sought to brush the issue under the carpet and 'move on' because without VAR that would have been offside too. Well no because without VAR X wouldn't have happened too but we did have VAR and it did happen.
You cannot use the "without VAR" line as an excuse for issues with VAR because we do have it and we're suffering the consequences of it. I've always said and did again recently, with VAR we're trading off the atmosphere and emotion of the game in order to (hopefully) get more accurate and consistent decisions. Sadly we're currently only getting some of the positives of VAR but all of the negatives and the moment we start accepting poor decisions because 'without VAR we'd have still got that wrong' then there is no point having VAR.
yeah and he is quite right, although a replay would be a logical solution its simply something that cannot happen as the floodgates would open and every team would then be demanding a replay every time an important VAR decision is wrong.
He also clarified the 'proper' outcome should be to sort it out then and there using common sense.
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A replay is a ridiculous idea. Spurs would have every right to feel aggrieved if a poor decision led to them being punished as well
I don’t remember calling for a replay when Mason forgot to draw the lines last season. That win could have made a big difference to our season.
I think it’s time to move on now. You’re not getting the point or the replay.
I don’t remember calling for a replay when Mason forgot to draw the lines last season. That win could have made a big difference to our season.
I think it’s time to move on now. You’re not getting the point or the replay.
We, as football fans (not shirt fans as so many so called football fans are), absolutely need to move on in terms of the Liverpool match. We needed to move on from that immediately after the event, what we need to be sure of though is that we, as football fans, dont move on from the issue itself. It needs resolution and evolution, this situation can never be allowed to happen again to any team, at any level.
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I’d like to know if all this falling out and screaming for replays would have happened if Matip hadn’t brainfarted and swiped into his own net
I doubt it would have though I'd also say that no sensible people are screaming for replays, but then thats not moving on from the match. People are focusing too much on the Liverpool match specifically, for me, this isnt an issue of "correcting" that result, this is about correcting the VAR system, which ought to be something that everyone , fan, player, pundit and club should be in agreement about and be behind.
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Whose screaming for replays?
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But we saw how quickly folks changed their tune following our statement. Nothing new though. Remember when Klopp was asking for 5 subs (actually asking), the narrative was he was whinging. That soon changed. Same with playing too many games.