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Veganuary?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by PiKe, Jan 3, 2019.

  1. D.P.

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    Well we have to trust your diet was optimal and you really tried everything . under that assumption it is likely that you have some complications you might not be aware of maybe like a gluten or soy intolerance.

    The simple fact is hundreds of millions.of people live by a vegan diet and largelydont have any issues you report, and statistically are.much healthier than meat eaters, live longer and have lower incidents of serious illness like cancer,heart disease and strokes.

    I
     
  2. Nasher

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    My Dr once told me that he sees a number of "vegans" and vitamin/nutrition deficiency related problems are pretty common in them. They think their diets are balanced and healthy because they convince themselves that they feel better. But find that actually they aren't when they start doing blood tests etc.

    We aren't evolved to live on plants alone. Maybe we're heading in that direction but it's millions of years away (though we may equally be heading in the carnivorous direction).
     
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  3. pooley

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    @ d.p have been eating things with gluten in before the plant diet just fine, and to suggest soy can cause those problems is a bit of a stretch..
    who are these millions of healthy vegans, those stick thin people in india?
    the fact you need to supplement on that diet suggests it's flawed.
     
  4. pooley

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    nasher, even on the vegan diet you have to take into account where all the produce i consumed came from, bananas and avocados from south america the chia seeds and quinoa was from that region

    i've had grapes from south africa and chile, sweet potatoes from america
    don't know where the coconut oil came from but you get the picture
     
  5. SexyGreyFox

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    It's exactly the other way round in my world.
    Meat eaters don't give a stuff but vegans will always let you know they are vegan as though they are better.
    It's like the joke:
    How do you know if you have a vegan in your party?
    Don't worry, they will let you know.
     
  6. OLDPHART

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    The Gaurdian > View to a cull: is grey squirrel the ultimate sustainable meat?

    A London chef with a mind of his own has the internet in a furry flurry with news that he has put grey squirrel ragu on the menu. Ivan Tisdall-Downes, who runs Native in Borough Market, also does a delicate grey squirrel pie, with sweet pickled onion relish. One of the main selling points for this meaty option is that it is supposedly sustainable. As omnivorous customers increasingly look to environmentally friendly and wild sources of meat, game is attractive. And game that was going to be hunted and killed anyway, whether people wanted to eat it or not – such as the grey squirrel – is as good as it gets.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/foodanddr...e-sustainable-meat/ar-BBTaGIt?ocid=spartandhp

    Chew on that, food for thought.

    Its up to individual what he wants to eat, a vegan diet alone won't save the plant.

    I eat more fish and chicken with rice or veg and fruit than red meat always have done since l left home.

    The industrial world has to change but they are doing it to slow, the likes of Trump do not help.
     
  7. iamtheoneneo

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    Vegetarian here, never stepped into the vegan zone but have no issues with those that do.

    Some of you here though need to have a bit of a look at yourselves. To be so angry, egotistical and deluded over what others are doing is pretty sad. Especially when you use your pathetic experience as a massive generalization on how healthy something is (Pooley).
     
  8. pooley

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    big assumption you have there, you don't know me at all..
    talk is cheap, try it for yourself for years and then come back to me and and see if you are still appealing to the 'vegan' ideology
    homo sapiens need animal fat and proteins to function it is that simple!
     
  9. iamtheoneneo

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    Well they dont. The millions walking around today perfectly fine disprove your theory.

    Dont confuse ego eating with need,just because you desire a product doesnt mean you need it. That meat you eat is entirely driven by selfish needs nothing more.
     
  10. pooley

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    You have zero 1st hand knowledge or experience on the subject matter, shown no evidence to back up your claim and yet you tell me about my selfish desires...
     
  11. LizardKing

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    To be fair, veganism is still very much a new diet choice, we don't have any conclusive proof whether its long term healthy or not. And most of the vegan food is as processed as non vegan food.

    Eating anything mass produced be it veg or meat is selfish, they both have an impact to the environment, just because one is less than the other its still impacting the planet. Neither are sustainable in the long term.
     
  12. Nitefly

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    We clearly don’t need to eat meat. It’s just it’s very easy to ignore where it comes from, the harm it causes, and enjoy it.

    I ate a meat pie just now and it was lovely.

    But.... yeah, we don’t need meat.
     
  13. pooley

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    100% plant diet is a nutrient deficient diet even when supplemented, even nasher claims his doctor sees these deficiencies, you telling me is is lying?
    people are saying it's healthy yet no mention of these foods are high in oxalate's, phytic acid, nitrates and lectins.

    go check out these vegan doctors who promote this nonsense they look terrible, thin a rake and malnourished and this diet is healthy!
    veganism has been advertised hard for the past 18 month's or so with no long term evidence that it health promoting. smoking was the thing in the 40's and 50's and look how that turned out!
     
  14. D.P.

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    Only if you eat processed garbage. I dont; know any vegetarian or vegan that eats any pre-processed mass produced junk.

    IU certainly don;t switch from processed meat to processed faker meat on my veggie days. I use tons of beans, lentils, fresh vegetables, nuts, seeds
     
  15. D.P.

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    There are millions living in Europe, North America, Australia.

    You also seem to be confusing thin with unhealthy. Humans are supposed to be thin, lean and athletic.
     
  16. D.P.

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    You are also just postulation an anecdote. Whether I or other posters live by a vegan lifestyle for several years doesn't change the level of evidence.

    Instead we can actually look at broad scientific studies and meta-analysis:

    https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/6/6/2131/htm

    The same finding are found time and time again.


    For the record, I am not proclaiming that we should all be vegan but the world would be a far better place if everyone limited meat consumption to one or twice a week. that in itself completely avoid any concerns over vitamin deficiencies
     
  17. VincentHanna

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    I think that's they key. Pooley sounds like some sort of body building muscle man.

    That's not a 'normal' human body.
     
  18. StriderX

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    Yo some of those fake "meats" are lit.
     
  19. pooley

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    i agree the world would be a better place sans mass food production, plant or animal. you can find scientific studies to back any bias you like, plenty out there...
    even in this thread nasher claims his doctor 'sees a number of "vegans" and vitamin/nutrition deficiency related problems are pretty common in them'

    i agree a little meat consumption say from your local farmer butcher would be a far better option.
     
  20. SexyGreyFox

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    I'm not getting into the debate whether veganism is good or not but I can tell you a little story.
    My nephew is around 26 now and when he was born he was bought up as a vegan. We could see something was wrong and at around 1 year they took him to the GP who ended up contacting Social Services. My In Laws immediately changed his diet but they carried on with their veganism. Years later they had 3 girls and it was quite funny seeing them buying McDonalds for them while they sat there eating grass.

    I know loads of vegans for many years/decades and they're all OK, I'm just sick of them telling me they are vegans.