The public still remembered the last great war and had no interest in another, its was only when everyone realised that it was pretty much unavoidable and Hitler was coming that changed those views
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The public still remembered the last great war and had no interest in another, its was only when everyone realised that it was pretty much unavoidable and Hitler was coming that changed those views
Well he wasn't, he expected Britain to side with him against the Soviets... It's a game of what ifs unfortunately, but he definitely felt that the UK was a potential ally. Even the US was seen as such.
I mean if we're talking about war plans, everyone had them... we even still have them i imagine.
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I believe that Venezuela can lay claim to the largest known oil reserves in the world - not that that would have anything at all to do with (non interventionist) Agent Orange's intervention in their governance - he is, as ever, only concerned with the well-being of the long-suffering oppressed peasantry - which is of course why he is supporting a coup (I wonder if I could rely on his support if I declared myself Prime Minister?)
By all accounts, Venezuela is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, seemingly largely associated with their supply of illegal drugs to . . . . America and Europe!
Americans and Europeans may be the consumers but surely they can't be blamed for corruptlon in the supply chain . . . . can they?
We should all be reassured by the shining examples of previous American regime change - ask anybody in the Middle East.
Evita might have sung "Do cry for we Venezuelans".
By all accounts, Venezuela is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, seemingly largely associated with their supply of illegal drugs to . . . . America and Europe!
Americans and Europeans may be the consumers but surely they can't be blamed for corruptlon in the supply chain . . . . can they?
We should all be reassured by the shining examples of previous American regime change - ask anybody in the Middle East.
Evita might have sung "Do cry for we Venezuelans".
*crickets*
We didn’t have “a few more years” to prepare nor did we turn tail and run back across the channel, we were driven back which is something quite different.
I find it frankly laughable that you think somehow Britain could have averted the holocaust, just how do you think that could have been achieved?
Churchill was one of the few who warned of Hitler and the danger he and the Nazis posed and was the one who refused to strike a peace deal with him when it was offered, he knew the only way to destroy the Nazis and what they stood for was to stand and fight.
By doing so yes, millions died but far fewer than would have died if Churchill had given in and let Hitler have a free hand in Europe.
Your knowledge of history is as good as your judgement of what makes a great political philosophy!
Given the Corbyn's defenders are happy to stick their fingers in their ears when it comes to the likes of the IRA, or Palestinian terrorists etc.. I doubt they'll care too much about his blind spot re: Venezuela either.
Well, it is all a conspiracy after all. Time machines and planting historic speeches and tweets just to make the leader of the opposition look like a terrorist supporting, antisemitic incompetent....
On the UK as allies note - something I never knew - Blitzkrieg tactics were based on the British Plan 1919 and developed with cooperation from senior British army officers with fascist leaning - Hitler considered that if they could come up with such a tactic they also probably had developed counters for it also and probably played a part in why he didn't push the advantage at Dunkirk.
Well yes and no. They don't come much more capitalist than I do. I have issues with Socialism that are both practical (it fails) and ethical (free loaders). In Ethics, you'll find me shoulder to shoulder with Ayn Rand. I do believe Venezuela was on a path to a bad place with its increasing socialist policies. But that said, one cannot put all the blame on Venezuela when you have so much foreign interference. The USA has been putting sanctions on its oil for ages. there have likely been CIA operations in the country, you had us refusing to transfer Venezuela's gold back to them (which they own but which we keep in our country) and generally doing everything that can be done to punish the country for the crime of getting along with our geopolitical rivals and not playing the IMF game we want them to. We seized Iraqi assets and formented unrest there; we seized Libyan assets and formented unrest there, we formented unrest in the Ukraine (and probably seized assets). It's a repeating pattern.
Yeah, the dog was sick. But we shot it.
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No no, I would genuinely like to see that put to him, I did not realise there were human rights abuses under Chavez.
Was he asked about it in any interviews at the time (not 30 months later)
By the way, as a corporation tax paying business owner I am definitely not a socialist, but then Labours last manifesto wasn't socialist either.
At the time corbyn was a resident loon backbencher and no one cared what he did because he had no influence and no credibility.
He was like the mad racist uncle who everyone ignores at family gatherings.
I'm not sure, he wasn't very prominent back then, even a year ago though he tries to avoid specific condemnation wants to blame all sides etc... see 8:15 into the below video for example:
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He doesn't mention Venezuela at all here, but he does make salient points and says he's not there to defend Stalin's warped ideas:
TL : DW
Council house building = socialism
NHS = socialism
Free schools = socialism
TL : DW
Council house building = socialism
NHS = socialism
Free schools = socialism
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We didn’t have “a few more years” to prepare nor did we turn tail and run back across the channel, we were driven back which is something quite different.
I find it frankly laughable that you think somehow Britain could have averted the holocaust, just how do you think that could have been achieved?
Churchill was one of the few who warned of Hitler and the danger he and the Nazis posed and was the one who refused to strike a peace deal with him when it was offered, he knew the only way to destroy the Nazis and what they stood for was to stand and fight.
By doing so yes, millions died but far fewer than would have died if Churchill had given in and let Hitler have a free hand in Europe.
Your knowledge of history is as good as your judgement of what makes a great political philosophy!
The Nazi's original plan was to deport Jewish people out of the country and our declaration of war hasten'd that into impossibility, could it have still happened regardless? Probably, we shall never know.
We didn't even do anything substantial until the war was basically over as the Soviets had quite literally slapped them around after Stalingrad was retaken, so please tell me how exactly we did anything other than thorn away until 1944? Considering the sheer overwhelming nature of the Nazi war machine, it was far more intelligent to have focused on an attack plan in neutrality than to embarrass ourselves in 1939. Only to waste several decades "not-fighting" the Soviets and their socialist minions (whom we are gracefully complaining about in this very thread...), who murdered far more people than the Nazi's ever could... probably in excess of 200 million at this point.
Our play in the war was a ******* disgrace, and it destroyed the empire because of Churchill's idiocy. The only time Churchill made any sense was a united Europe with the UK at the top, too bad we've ignored his only wisdom.
We are perhaps the sole reason Communism survived and even allowed to be socially acceptable to be uttered every 3 seconds by *****, yet you defend it out of some strange desire to see our place in the war as heroic...
/ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh whatever, it's still a battle of what if's and not's, this is defo not worth.
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Chamberlain could not have stopped Hitler early on, the time to stop Hitler was well before he was elected as prime minister in 1937
I mean to beat Germany in 1937 as the UK you will need someone like Julius Caesar, even then im not convinced, most likely you'll need Alexander
What everyone needs to keep in mind is that the germans had been building up for war since 1920. Seems hindsight is useless?
Kind of a shame we didn't really.
Or at least kept well out of it.
A quick German victory against the Soviet Union would have left the world of the later 20th century a far better place,
Even for the Jews!
(Holocaust might well never have happened. Sure they would have been expelled from German controlled territory. But that is nothing, either special or new, historically)
As an aside, Hitler should never have allied himself with the Japs. I doubt if the US would have declared War on Germany had they not declared war on the US in support of the axis pact.
(I just love alternative histories!
)Building pocket battleships and tanks, etc. in secret... well other than it was fairly well known by the British LOL.
I found this interesting on reading it recently
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More a case of..
Allying ourselves with Communism to defeat Fascism left the world a rather (Considerably even) worse place than it would have been had we allied ourselves with Fascism to defeat Communism.
Helping the Soviet Union defeat Germany was probabally the most catastrophic disaster for humanity of the entire 20th century! Nothing else even comes close!