Vettel vs Alonso - Who Deserves it more?

It's pretty obvious it takes Massa 15 races to get used to a not perfect car and then he comes good. It's pretty obvious he took no points out of his team mates rivals and so is pretty useless in the battle against the others.

Ferrari should just get him a job driving a circuit cleaning truck, so he can concentrate on cleaning up alonsos grid slot. If massa wants another drive he should find another team boss whose son is a driver manager.
 
Formula 1 team bosses vote Fernando Alonso as best driver of 2012
By Jonathan Noble Thursday, December 13th 2012, 11:16 GMT

Fernando Alonso has been voted as the driver of the year by Formula 1's team bosses in AUTOSPORT's annual team principals' top ten poll.

The Ferrari driver, who lost out on the world championship by just three points to Sebastian Vettel, dominated the voting this year.

AUTOSPORT asked each of F1's current team principals to pick their top ten drivers for the season, with points being awarded under the current scoring system of 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1

The individual votes are kept secret so team bosses can give a more honest appraisal of their views.

Alonso was a clear winner this year, securing the biggest winning margin in the five years since AUTOSPORT began the top ten.

He was voted as best driver by eight of the 12 team principals. His score of 269 points gave him a 71-point margin over last year's top driver Sebastian Vettel.

It is the second time in the five years that the team principals' top ten has been running that Alonso has taken the number one spot.

He was voted as top driver in 2010, after also losing out on the championship in the final round.

Lewis Hamilton may have endured his frustrations on track with McLaren this season, but his efforts behind the wheel were acknowledged as he beat the returning Kimi Raikkonen for third place overall.

Nico Hulkenberg's form at Force India was also recognised on his F1 comeback, as he was voted as the seventh best driver by the teams.
AUTOSPORT team principals' top ten:

1. Fernando Alonso 269
2. Sebastian Vettel 198
3. Lewis Hamilton 177
4. Kimi Raikkonen 176
5. Jenson Button 104
6. Mark Webber 66
7. Nico Hulkenberg 50
8. Nico Rosberg 30
9. Sergio Perez 30
10. Felipe Massa 27
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Must annoy Seb that he is getting very little credit for this title :)
 
dannyjo22 said:
It's pretty obvious it takes Massa 15 races to get used to a not perfect car and then he comes good. It's pretty obvious he took no points out of his team mates rivals and so is pretty useless in the battle against the others.
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You told us over and over that Alonso did not have the car to match Red Bull, yet now you are suggesting Massa should have been beating Vettel when even Alonso could not?
 
Skeeter said:
Ouch... don't hold back :p
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The stats don't lie ;)

1 time this season Massa took points from Vettel, Brazil (When they were both left running). The last race of the season and look at why.

In comparison Alonso managed it 7 times when both still running.

Webber took points from Alonso 6 times when both running.

Massa only took points from Hamilton 3 times this season.

What to do for ferrari though, keep the chimp because he's accepting of his role or hire a driver who can actually take points away from Alonso's rivals?
 
FrankJH said:
To be fair it was Massa's own fault in some of those cases, where it was clear to see Alonso was getting far more out of the car than Massa ever could

Last few races Massa was brilliant in comparison, but it doesnt excuse his early season form.
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just like vettel gets more out of the car than webber ever can.

funny how when RBR needed webber to sign a contract he was competitive for a few races , as soon as he signs hes nowhere again.

much like massa somehow finds untapped speed as soon as ferrari need him to do well....
 
Are you seriously suggesting Ferrari limit Massa's car and would take the risk of not securing 2nd in the constructors title this year? They would gamble on not securing an additional £/$10 million of prize money?
 
dannyjo22 said:
What to do for ferrari though, keep the chimp because he's accepting of his role or hire a driver who can actually take points away from Alonso's rivals?
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I'm starting to think that Ferrari have signed Massa because he was the best person they could get who would sign a 1 year deal to be Alonso's support act before getting 'someone' new in for 2014.

All the talk about any seat at Ferrari to replace Massa was always based around 1 year contracts. For that role, Massa is perfect.
 
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