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VIA are still making CPUs!

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The KX-6000 is supposed to br around Core i5 7400 level performance,but it has twice the cores.It also runs at upto 3GHZ,and those screen shots show under that.

So,not sure how its IPC is,as it the performance overall when all cores are used the same as a Core i5 7400,or is per core performance?? It does support AVX.
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Bulldozer levels of IPC.
 
humbug said:
Bulldozer levels of IPC.
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Probably higher as its clocked lower than the Core i5 7400 - in the screenshot the model shown was running at only 2.7GHZ! But like Ryzen its an SOC and the die looks small - I assume these might be quite cheap to make.

Edit!!

Not sure after looking at the die pictures again - might be a bit smaller than a quad core Zen+ APU??
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Probably higher as its clocked lower than the Core i5 7400 - in the screenshot the model shown was running at only 2.7GHZ! But like Ryzen its an SOC and the die looks small - I assume these might be quite cheap to make.
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i5 7400 is 3Ghz base - 3.5Ghz boost.

If its a similar performance to that with twice the cores at 3Ghz its not good.

4 core Skylake vs 4 core Phenom II

Score 1137: Intel Core i5 6600T at 3.9Ghz, MaXxBoulton
Score 823: AMD Phenom II 965 at 3.7Ghz, MadMatty

Edit, No Bulldozer on the score board but they are very similar to Phenom II
 
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These are probably fine for the Chinese market where the government wants to cull its reliance on US technology but in brutal honesty they are unless in comparison, even in China these would sit around in warehouses collecting dust if not for the Chinese government forcing these chips on infrastructure vendors. Which they will.

VIA are a decade+ behind.

It was always going to be like this, Intel and AMD have been at this continuously for decades, they are on the bleeding edge of X86 architecture design and with in the next few short years both are going to be taking it to the next level in really ####'### complicated modular 3D stacking, AMD are already have the groundwork for that on the market in the form of Zen 2 with years of Heterogeneous Architecture (HSA) and 3D stacking experience design under their belts, HBM and uMA enabled APU's.

To illustrate what's coming again with one (Edit: Two slides...

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Its always going to be difficult for someone to enter or re-enter that fight and compete.

Intel will face the same problem with GPU's, Nvidia and AMD are at the bleeding edge in GPU's design, i'm telling you now Intel's first GPU's are going to be a bit crap by comparison.
 
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China is developing these kinds of CPUs(its not the only one)for national security reasons as they know exactly what is in these CPUs. The Russians are doing the same with their Elbrus CPUs,which uses a VLIW design:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbrus-8S

Another term for it is import substitution - it also means they can export products with such parts without asking for permission from foreign governments.

VIA is also developing another core called the Centaur Technologies CNS:
https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/3099/centaur-unveils-its-new-server-class-x86-core-cns-adds-avx-512/
https://www.semiaccurate.com/2019/11/18/centaurs-new-cpu-is-the-first-x86-with-an-ai-co-processor/
https://www.smalltechnews.com/archives/36581

It supports AVX512 and has an integrated AI coprocessor. There is a lot of uarch details if you read the links.

Apparently the ZX-6000 is being replaced by the ZX-7000 next year which is on 7NM,and has PCI-E 4.0:
https://www.hardwaretimes.com/zhaox...-with-32-cores-and-7nm-process-chinese-intel/

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It's a new uarch. Apparently,its IPC is around 80% of a Zen2 core:
https://www.cnews.cz/procesor-via-zhaoxin-kx-7000-unik-geekbench-2ghz/

That would be still less than Zen IMHO,so it might be closer to Haswell or Ivy Bridge??
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
China is developing these kinds of CPUs(its not the only one)for national security reasons as they know exactly what is in these CPUs. The Russians are doing the same with their Elbrus CPUs,which uses a VLIW design:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbrus-8S

Another term for it is import substitution - it also means they can export products with such parts without asking for permission from foreign governments.

VIA is also developing another core called the Centaur Technologies CNS:
https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/3099/centaur-unveils-its-new-server-class-x86-core-cns-adds-avx-512/
https://www.semiaccurate.com/2019/11/18/centaurs-new-cpu-is-the-first-x86-with-an-ai-co-processor/
https://www.smalltechnews.com/archives/36581

It supports AVX512 and has an integrated AI coprocessor. There is a lot of uarch details if you read the links.

Apparently the ZX-6000 is being replaced by the ZX-7000 next year which is on 7NM,and has PCI-E 4.0:
https://www.hardwaretimes.com/zhaox...-with-32-cores-and-7nm-process-chinese-intel/

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It's a new uarch. Apparently,its IPC is around 80% of a Zen2 core:
https://www.cnews.cz/procesor-via-zhaoxin-kx-7000-unik-geekbench-2ghz/

That would be still less than Zen IMHO,so it might be closer to Haswell or Ivy Bridge??
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A bit more, Skylake did gain about 10% or a little more over Haswell, it would be about 90%+ vs Coffeelake which is the same as Skylake..

Which IS pretty good.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It appears the 16NM Zhaoxin ZX-6000 matches a Core i5 7400
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In ST performance Haswell at same clock of 2.7GHz and DDR3 scores about 100pts more (near 300) so about 60% of Haswell, 7400 should be over 300 at 2.7GHz with DDR4. Don't know why the MT ratio is over 8, something strange going on.

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No AVX2 or FMA

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Maybe the price is very low?

 
BigEars said:
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In ST performance Haswell at same clock of 2.7GHz and DDR3 scores about 100pts more (near 300) so about 60% of Haswell, 7400 should be over 300 at 2.7GHz with DDR4.

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No AVX2 or FMA

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Maybe the price is very low?
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Humph..... quick dirty run with my stock 3600.

yeah. IPC about 80% higher.

Cinebench ~3900

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BigEars said:
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In ST performance Haswell at same clock of 2.7GHz and DDR3 scores about 100pts more (near 300) so about 60% of Haswell, 7400 should be over 300 at 2.7GHz with DDR4. Don't know why the MT ratio is over 8, something strange going on.

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No AVX2 or FMA

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Maybe the price is very low?

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MT ratio is 8 as the KX6000 has 8 cores,so it was what I suspected it was probably an 8 core benchmark.
 
I just realized its an X86_64. As far as i know VIA don't, or didn't have access to X64 and that's AMD's.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
MT ratio is 8 as the KX6000 has 8 cores,so it was what I suspected it was probably an 8 core benchmark.
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But the MT ratio should be 8 or less, not higher than 8.

humbug said:
Look at the L3 cache layout. "2X 4Mbytes" looks like it might have two CCX's. Why else would the L3 be split?
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There's no L3 cache, that's L2.

The previously linked video which shows this, can be watched with subtitle (closed caption) and translation set to English set.
 
I have an A6 3670K which runs at around 2.7GHZ,and the CPU-Z test gives 133 and 514 respectively. The Core i5 6300U in my laptop which is Skylake based runs at 2.4GHZ to 3.0GHZ and gives scores of 227 and 834 respectively.

BigEars said:
But the MT ratio should be 8 or less, not higher than 8.
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It depends on what was happening when the person was running the benchmark - its better to make a few runs. Also the video says its an engineering board,which has restricted PCI-E power capacity,etc so we don't know whether the BIOS is acting in funky ways,etc.

Edit!!

At 1.03 in the video you can see a bulging capacitor.
 
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