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There is nothing offensive about describing someone who is black, black. I find it more insulting they think they need to use a code word even though it means the same
Violence in Selfridges and "drill music"
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There is nothing offensive about describing someone who is black, black. I find it more insulting they think they need to use a code word even though it means the same
Agreed
I think there was a huge amount of mixed messaging on this in the 90s when there was an awareness of racism and issues like this in teaching.... but not very well done. I used to think as a child/young teenager that it was better to say someone was ‘coloured’ rather than expressly refer to them as being ‘black’, as referring to actual skin colour was seen as ‘the worst’. I’m sure many people still erroneously think this way!
There was absolutely no such awareness for different sexualities and such that there is now, so no wonder that is now getting so much exposure (in lieu).
But that is why 'everyday is a school day' as we have the opportunity each day to learn and better ourselves. When I was younger I used to call mixed race people, Halfcast. It was what I was taught. It wasn't until I got a bit older and broke the word down that I realised it literally meant that someone is only half cast. Now I could just have stayed stuck in my ways because I never meant it from a place of malice but I understood how it could make someone else feel uncomfortable. I just play it safe and describe someone by their colour. I've made the faux pas of calling someone who was from Pakistan an Indian before and that went down like a lead balloon - much easier just to describe how they look.
The word 'coloured' has always amused me a bit though and I've always thought white people are the real coloured ones. sort of like that poem..
"Coloured" is an old-fashioned expression. I only ever here older people say it.
It's kind of nonsensical. Better just to say "black". And I have seen black people blush, they kind of go blacky-red. But that's about it.
It's kind of nonsensical. Better just to say "black". And I have seen black people blush, they kind of go blacky-red. But that's about it.
Not really, I don't mind if the idiots get offended, I said urban because I meant urban, if I'd wanted to say black then I'd have said black. Unfortunately, some people seem to view the whole world through some sort of binary lens and can't understand any sort of nuance. Would be silly to pretend this is exclusively a black issue, it's disproportionately so but not exclusively so ergo why would I use black when I don't mean that?
Most of these arguments are just based on projection/attempts at mind-reading by other posters, none of them seem able to discuss the issues themselves either. This one even diverts from mind-reading into making up some claimed facts
Lol what??? Where have I claimed I’m old and vulnerable because of a disability? This really has jumped the shark in terms of attempting to attack the poster by making things up?
Also, FYI, anyone can click on my profile and show a list of threads I've created.
I wasn't talking about your OP, I was referring to junglists anecdote in the post I quoted.
I covered your OP "urban" reference here, briefly.
Didn't feel it required anymore than that.
And attempted to discuss the main point of the thread here:
Quoting to hopefully bring the thread back around on topic.
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I think he's mistaken you for someone else.
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He does that a lot. The classic was when he claimed someone had been a massive inspiration for him to do something and the guy was like "err...nope, that was someone else mate". Such an inspiration.
True, I think we should all relax a little bit though. I was jokingly called a "cracker" and "Boogie man" by an ex black colleague. We used to laugh about it. One can't be too precious.
At this point, I do wonder how things like Family Guy will age. After the first series of two there were a LOT of jokes along the lines of “this person is treated differently because they are black.”
The one joke that particularly comes to mind is one in American Dad when the son and the alien are in a kitchen or something and they have accidentally knocked out a white woman (I can’t remember the specifics sorry). The dialogue is something like:
“.... where did they go?”
“Where did who go?”
“The two black men that just came through here.”
On one hand it’s satirical of racism, on the other it perpetuates stereotypes and ultimately is a joke at the expense of black men. I think it’ll be phased out if it hasn’t already. It now feels extremely dated.
I joke with my friends continually, however in a public setting where you do not know the entire audience you can't really simply ask them to not be offended - you do not know what an individuals life has been like.
I had a similar thought the other day about a simpsons date rape joke. Time will tell, I guess.
Buzzfeed will start posting 'articles' of twitter and reddit posts about it being 'deeply problematic' like they do with stuff like Friends now.
In these discussions I always think of the Major talking about taking that girl to a cricket match in Fawlty Towers. Very amusing scene.
Actually I think the BBC removed it from some later editions.
There is a balance to be drawn on this commentary. I don’t think the emphasis should be on the demonisation of the content creators, but more the changing perception of social acceptability.
I had a really interesting conversation with an absolute die hard only fools and horses fan last week (she has all sorts of merchandise that I have seen over the years) and she made a really well rounded observation: “the show has aged more in the last 5 years than it has aged in the preceding 30 years”.
The right approach is certainly between “these content creators were terrible people” and on the other hand “pah there is absolutely nothing outdated or offensive about these shows people need to stop moaning.”
Yeah, I think that is a reasonable point, obvs no one is saying the style of music itself causes violence, the lyrics themselves though perhaps stir up gang rivalries, some of them reference previous killings etc..
My focus was more on the culture surrounding this, it's no surprise that the kid with the knife here has a deadbeat, criminal father (albeit a very famous one in this particular instance), nor is it surprising given the estate they're from - that's been a problem estate for several generations, example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadwater_Farm#Murder_of_PC_Keith_Blakelock
I mean a group of people on that estate literally murdered a police officer and got away with it, hardly surprising that a generation or two later and a bunch of residents are still violent or even murderous scumbags.
The estate itself seems to have been successfully regenerated lots of investment poured in, CCTV, concierges etc... but the effect of that seems to have been to reduce some obvious reportable crime in the estate itself, not necessarily impact the criminals who live there and the crimes they commit elsewhere.
Quite possibly, that's an obvious problem when people can't argue and so attack either their own projections (or in this case some faulty memory relating to some completely different poster).
@hurfdurf you've gone rather quiet - found anything to back up the drivel you claimed here yet?
Go ahead, show me where you believe I've ever done that or made that claim?
LOL I suspect that is what has happened here too.
@deuse you have a short username beginning with a "d" - IIRC you are a bit old, putting aside the rather uncharitable description given by @hurfdurf have you by any chance mentioned being elderly and disabled on these forums? If so I suspect I've been mistaken for you.
I think it was mentioned recently when someone had a pop at him for stealth editing his posts