Virgin media... and so it begins. restrictions started.

[nyzrox]

 

[Vicar]

Walks away and gives up

 

[stevenazari1]

lol @ this thread.

it wont get better till 2012 for this country lol

pack your bags lads. its time for a 5 year holiday!

**starts to sing** "leeeeeaving, on a jet plaaane, 5 years till I'll be back again..."

 

[TomL]

*Flies to Japan*

I can live on the street and steal someone's wireless, it'll probably be 20 times faster than the best Internet connection here lols!

 

[Clown]

Do you know what a lot of people who complain about throttling needs? They need to learn about RSS feeds and scheduling. I don't think there was anything I needed STRAIGHT-AWAY which would take me over my bandwidth cap.

 

[Kol]

I'm capped at the moment, but it's still reliable and max (for 1Mbit anyway ) so I'm happy. I'll remain capped until 9 (is it now?) and then I can resume. For now, all I want is web browsing anyway and that still loads the same as it would have at max speed.

 

[Defiance_co]

Clown, When i signed up for a complete ntl deal many yrs ago i wasn't capped or squeezed, I took out the fastest BB and largest tv deal and also landline

Along comes ntl buying out virgin mobile to use the virgin name and hey presto capping/regulating comes into force shortly afterwards

So no initial limits for yrs and yrs, Now they implement them

Wonder why now they opt to limit (i know it's a lot better than a specific limit cutoff as your speed just slows) , But why when they are testing and soon to release 50meg and faster !!!!!!!!!!

Stupid to a layman but financially good for vm lol

NTL had a bad rep for billing and customer relations, Now with the Virgin brand cover they have more subscribers and can't invest as they did when cable started in their infrostructure so hence some sort of cap/limitations

If this isn't correct please correct me

Anyways for a change where isp's are concerned i would have liked to have my original signup agreement last but no sorry their T&C's change when they like lol

So what we have is BB going full circle the way dial-up went ...........

No limits, Then they start when more customers and viability takes hold, Then some isp's will do a true no limits (screaming.net or whatever it was caused the fully no limits on dialup) and so it goes back to no limits etc

Seems now isp's are starting to act like oil companies do (kinda self regulate (ohh oil can work like this, A certain company buys other companies oil and they buy theirs etc so prices can stay as certain companies like ) so until someone isp=wise comes back with fully no limited anything i reckon all isp's will cap and as more do the more the caps will be

Have a Merry Christmas All

Ciao

Def

 

[Si MPS]

tell that to the computer science proffesor that taught it to us in uni. its actually remarkably accurate.

well, your professor is a bit of a fool, as there is 8 bits in a byte. so, you know, divide by 8.

 

[Kol]

Just curious, how are the caps working at the moment? As you noticed I posted I was capped earlier at 4.52pm. So I paused my download and haven't downloaded anything as I've been off watching the top gear evening. I've just come back and I'm still maxing out at 105KB/s using newsgroups. Seems I'm still capped, it's been 5 hours (so more than 4 using the old scheme) or after 9pm (using the new scheme). Strange. I'm not fussed though, it will be reet.

edit - random, just as I posted it uncapped.

well, your professor is a bit of a fool, as there is 8 bits in a byte. so, you know, divide by 8.

Already pointed out.

 

[Rich]

Clown, When i signed up for a complete ntl deal many yrs ago i wasn't capped or squeezed, I took out the fastest BB and largest tv deal and also landline

Along comes ntl buying out virgin mobile to use the virgin name and hey presto capping/regulating comes into force shortly afterwards

So no initial limits for yrs and yrs, Now they implement them

Wonder why now they opt to limit (i know it's a lot better than a specific limit cutoff as your speed just slows) , But why when they are testing and soon to release 50meg and faster !!!!!!!!!!

Stupid to a layman but financially good for vm lol

NTL had a bad rep for billing and customer relations, Now with the Virgin brand cover they have more subscribers and can't invest as they did when cable started in their infrostructure so hence some sort of cap/limitations

If this isn't correct please correct me

Anyways for a change where isp's are concerned i would have liked to have my original signup agreement last but no sorry their T&C's change when they like lol

So what we have is BB going full circle the way dial-up went ...........

No limits, Then they start when more customers and viability takes hold, Then some isp's will do a true no limits (screaming.net or whatever it was caused the fully no limits on dialup) and so it goes back to no limits etc

Seems now isp's are starting to act like oil companies do (kinda self regulate (ohh oil can work like this, A certain company buys other companies oil and they buy theirs etc so prices can stay as certain companies like ) so until someone isp=wise comes back with fully no limited anything i reckon all isp's will cap and as more do the more the caps will be

Have a Merry Christmas All

Ciao

Def

The caps were in place under NTL too. I think the caps are actually quite fair, but im on the 20mb package.

 

[Defiance_co]

Rich, I agree to a point, The caps could be way way worse, But you must have been fairly new to ntl if you had caps i was ntl for yrs with no caps under ntl (on 20meg too and always had fastest bb connection available in my area)

But i signed up under ntl with no caps and now it's a cap in sorts no matter how you disguise it

My point is if you were onboard while no caps were used why do we get capped after the fact

eg: I'm an old customer, I got wrong billing etc and cancelled but ntl came back with stupidly low or free offers so i stayed, I see they pump out adverts for the 3 deal or 4 deal (bb,tv,landline,mobile) at a cheaper darn rate than me a longtime subscriber pays

In other words last ones in get a sweeter/cheaper deal with caps, I pay more being an older customer for the darn same services and get the same caps

Cancelled phoneline, Had vm call me all hours with 1/2 price line rental free call id and all barring etc but i had had enough of bill errors on the phone billing so stood firm, Then when i mention bb might be cancelled they instantly said ohh heck we can drop your tv/bb deal by 40% (without a calculater it's maybe 1 or 2 % off but in the region of 40%) Already had free bb and cheap tv deal off ntl when i almost cancelled few yrs back (retentions they put you through to)

So why is it a longstanding good payer ends up paying more and suffering (for the want of a wording) than new customers, Why can't they provide what they start you on or at least make it better for people and themselves by offering a higher priced 100% no catch no gimmicks no limit no slowdown in bandwidth for an extra fee, For me i wouldn't mind paying £100 a mth for 20meg with no if's or but's about usage, If they changed their wording about totally no limits then i would resign myself to the fact that limitations exist but in laymans terms a slowdown due to usage if a form of a cap surely in anyones thinking (is in mine), Only reason i went with ntl yrs ago was the promise off fast bb with no limits and i've paid dear for it at full cost long enough

Anyways it's a fairer cap/limiting than other providers for sure that i 100% agree, But with what's available on the net update-wise demo's trials and other LEGAL stuff and streaming (off their own darn website) it seems darn stupid to get advertised to you to use the bandwidth then they nobble you lol

Anyways ntl/vm have milked me enough, Landline goes in a few days, TV will follow and then bb when i sort a line out, I signed up for no limits if's or but's and sooner or later as i said things will come full circle again and isp's will do this but not while they can take without any feedback hurting them

Merry Christmas

Ciao

Def

 

[Kol]

Interesting points Def, but considering how cheap (if you moan at VM) you can get the packages (I had XL TV, Unlimited landline calls, 20Mbit BB = £37.95), who are you going to be able to get a deal like that with?

Heck, just the BB is going to cost a lot seeings aa you need to pay for line rental to BT THEN your BB sub. Also, are you guaranteed to get a good speed with ADSL? I've no problem being capped for 4 hours in a day. I'm then happy to be able to downloaded at 2.4MBytes/sec for 20 of those other hours should I deside. I can't see me ever needing to download in excess of 176gigs a day, but I'm happy in the knowledge I theoretically could. Plus, it's reliable.

 

[Vicar]

Walks away and gives up

Again..... Walks away and gives up

Take 0.5 or is it 20.6 hmmmmm?..... (Humourish)

How many idiots does it take to speedtest.net or does it not too..... a sample off... its p*** example of a dire test to test their wire?


A Drunk Vic...

....yet again too get a view acrosss that speedtest.net is guff?


Stella is my friend

 

[Rich]

Rich, I agree to a point, The caps could be way way worse, But you must have been fairly new to ntl if you had caps i was ntl for yrs with no caps under ntl (on 20meg too and always had fastest bb connection available in my area)

But i signed up under ntl with no caps and now it's a cap in sorts no matter how you disguise it

My point is if you were onboard while no caps were used why do we get capped after the fact

eg: I'm an old customer, I got wrong billing etc and cancelled but ntl came back with stupidly low or free offers so i stayed, I see they pump out adverts for the 3 deal or 4 deal (bb,tv,landline,mobile) at a cheaper darn rate than me a longtime subscriber pays

In other words last ones in get a sweeter/cheaper deal with caps, I pay more being an older customer for the darn same services and get the same caps

Cancelled phoneline, Had vm call me all hours with 1/2 price line rental free call id and all barring etc but i had had enough of bill errors on the phone billing so stood firm, Then when i mention bb might be cancelled they instantly said ohh heck we can drop your tv/bb deal by 40% (without a calculater it's maybe 1 or 2 % off but in the region of 40%) Already had free bb and cheap tv deal off ntl when i almost cancelled few yrs back (retentions they put you through to)

So why is it a longstanding good payer ends up paying more and suffering (for the want of a wording) than new customers, Why can't they provide what they start you on or at least make it better for people and themselves by offering a higher priced 100% no catch no gimmicks no limit no slowdown in bandwidth for an extra fee, For me i wouldn't mind paying £100 a mth for 20meg with no if's or but's about usage, If they changed their wording about totally no limits then i would resign myself to the fact that limitations exist but in laymans terms a slowdown due to usage if a form of a cap surely in anyones thinking (is in mine), Only reason i went with ntl yrs ago was the promise off fast bb with no limits and i've paid dear for it at full cost long enough

Anyways it's a fairer cap/limiting than other providers for sure that i 100% agree, But with what's available on the net update-wise demo's trials and other LEGAL stuff and streaming (off their own darn website) it seems darn stupid to get advertised to you to use the bandwidth then they nobble you lol

Anyways ntl/vm have milked me enough, Landline goes in a few days, TV will follow and then bb when i sort a line out, I signed up for no limits if's or but's and sooner or later as i said things will come full circle again and isp's will do this but not while they can take without any feedback hurting them

Merry Christmas

Ciao

Def

Hi,

I was with NTL on dial up. I moved to cable when they first rolled it out in my area. I couldnt give you exact dates, but im fairly sure I had cable back in 99/2000 if i remember rightly. So plenty long enough anyway. I was one of the only people on any CS server back in the day with 30ms pings. You can imagine the grief i got
The caps you are complaining about were first rolled out by NTL, not Virgin Media as far as I remember.
The original "caps" never actually affected anybody other than the ridiculously heavy users. But these caps were soft limits that NTL enforced at their discretion.

The problem here is not NTL, or VM, or BT. Its all of them. This happens because "power users" are not catered to under commercial broadband packages. If you want 24/7 unlimited broadband you are going to have to pay for it, and let me tell you it wont be cheap. We are in the extreme minority here. Most users just want to surf Myspace and ebay. Anything more than that is an unknown to them.
I for one am happy to have a provider that has made their policy so clear.

 

[FeFiDoh]

Not to rub it in but full speed here as usual

 

[mrk]

OH YEAHHHHH!



Over Wireless-G too

 

[TomL]

Doesn't mean anything unless you tell us how much you've downloaded between 4 and 9pm.

 

[mrk]

Not telling.


























Showing

That's my machine, discounting the 2 lan machines online too.

 

[Datamonkey]

im on cable here. speedtest.net is showing me as having

so basically 98k down 12 up per second. pathetic. all i did was download some updates for XP and somne add on packs and suddenly im restricted.

Are you far from the exchange in maidenhead mate?

I was going to go with virgin glad i didnt, with be, and love it.

 

[Datamonkey]

meh