Visibly upset child made to run daily.

Burnsy2023 said:
The safeguarding of children is everyone's business. This may be nothing, it may be something, nobody will ever know if it's completely ignored.

Where did you get this common sense from? I'm sure some other people here would like to know.
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As ex plod (i beleive?) you should know that there's not much chance of the authorities being in a position to do much about this.

Given that the OP apparently doesn't know the child or know where he lives then you would likely be in a situation where some sort or directed surveillance would be required to stand any chance of actually identifying who the kid is.....

Then the usual idiots start wailing about how 'terroist' legislation is being misused (when it's not terroist legislation ... As the names of the relevant acts of Parliament give us a clue about).

Thresholds do vary (not that they are supposed to) between local authorities but, on the information provided, i think it would be a bit of a stretch to conclude that social services would be able to say the child was at risk of serious harm. If the kid is/was attending school and they picked up ongoing physical or psychological effects on the child outside of the running sessions then i expect it would be a rather different matter.
 
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rainbowGuy said:
people saying its none of your business - i think thats why we have had cases where a kid has been killed by their guardian.. I think at the very least you could call 111 and explain the situation to them ..
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Did you mean 101?

Because i don't think the NHS number would be of much use?
 
Kill both of them by decapitation and report yourself to childservices.

God will judge them.
 
Caracus2k said:
As ex plod (i beleive?) you should know that there's not much chance of the authorities being in a position to do much about this.
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Not ex. Whether something can be done is wholly dependent on the circumstances. If the child is on the child protection register and has specific issues specified in the plan then something could come from this. That's one end of the spectrum. It might be that this is a symptom of other child abuse or neglect which may be the first time child services get to have contact with a child at risk. Or it might be nothing. My point is that nobody knows at the moment and a friendly conversation with the child might be enough to either contact authorities or alay fears.

Caracus2k said:
Given that the OP apparently doesn't know the child or know where he lives then you would likely be in a situation where some sort or directed surveillance would be required to stand any chance of actually identifying who the kid is.....
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Or just ask him his name when he's seen next?

Caracus2k said:
Thresholds do vary (not that they are supposed to) between local authorities but, on the information provided, i think it would be a bit of a stretch to conclude that social services would be able to say the child was at risk of serious harm. If the kid is/was attending school and they picked up ongoing physical or psychological effects on the child outside of the running sessions then i expect it would be a rather different matter.
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Like most intelligence gathering, one report on it's own isn't all that useful, but lots of little pieces of information build a picture. What the OP has seen might be really relevant or it might be nothing. The OP doesn't have the full picture, so a conversation to work out if there's anything concerning and then reporting upwards if something is disclosed is a perfectly reasonable course of action.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Or just ask him his name when he's seen next?
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If i pass someone's house on the street with my child and they come out asking for the child's name, DOB and address they are going to be politely told to go do one.

Neither police nor social services should be advising a member of the public to follow the child and adult with them to try and establish where they live either.
 
Caracus2k said:
If i pass someone's house on the street with my child and they come out asking for the child's name, DOB and address they are going to be politely told to go do one.

Neither police nor social services should be advising a member of the public to follow the child and adult with them to try and establish where they live either.
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Wut? Where have I suggested that? Oh, I haven't, you're just being ridiculous.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Wut? Where have I suggested that? Oh, I haven't, you're just being ridiculous.
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What did you mean by this then?

Burnsy2023 said:
Or just ask him his name when he's seen next?
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If you ask the kid (or adult) their name and the answer is something like 'Jack' (assuming the reply isn't just something like **** off) that's not going to help much identifying them know is it?
 
Dyson said:
Not ex, but also not a real policeman if I recall. Aren't you a Special Constable?
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Depends what a 'real policeman' means to you. I am a Special, yes.

Caracus2k said:
What did you mean by this then?

If you ask the kid (or adult) their name and the answer is something like 'Jack' (assuming the reply isn't just something like **** off) that's not going to help much identifying them know is it?
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A firstname and surname would be enough to search and see if there's any open child protection plans etc in the local area. If they can't find him, then it's less likely to be a serious issue. You could ask what school they went to if that felt appropriate and that would be enough to get all the necessary details. If the child discloses anything imminently and seriously concerning then you call police on 999 and let them talk to the child directly.
 
He is getting told to run, i got made to run in school and i hated it but thankfully the teachers knew what was better for me and made me run just like the rest of the kids.

Stay out of it.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
A firstname and surname would be enough to search and see if there's any open child protection plans etc in the local area. If they can't find him, then it's less likely to be a serious issue. You could ask what school they went
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So everything apart from DOB and home address then with school thrown in for good measure? Not sure where you got 'ridiculous' from then?

Ask for the above in the circumstances previously outlined and the response from me would still be the same as i suspect it would be for the adult in this case.

If the adults keen on keeping the kid moving he's not going to want to stop under the false premise of a nice little chat with someone from the neighbourhood. Assuming he doesn't get instantly suspicious about the motives of the person that's just dashed out of their address for said chat or who was waiting outside in place ready. Potentially putting the OP at risk.
 
There seems to be a lot of assumptions being made in this thread and many questions that don't have a proper answer.

Why is the boy running?
Is he actually crying? Seems kind of hard to cry while running.
Why is he looking "upset" as stated by OP? Does he actually look upset or did the OP see what he wanted to believe?
What is the child saying when he is talking to himself?
Where is his father and why is his father at whatever location he is when the child is running?
What was the argument about?
Did the father actually lose his temper or did OP assume he did?
Why did the father ride off?

You don't have enough information and considering you made this thread i think you clearly know you don't have enough information to make a call on the situation.
 
Dave Burton said:
That's absolutely horrific, poor people!!
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I had something horrible happen to me in the Potteries Shopping Centre about 10 years ago and it still eats at me how some people can be.
I'd walked out of WHSmiths and making my way to another shop when in the near distance two women run out of NEXT screaming "Aaron,Aaron".
When they got close to me I asked "Is he that tall with a red coat?" and the older woman starting calling me a ******* paedo and to keep my nose out.
I said "What?" and she repeated at the top of her voice "You're a ****** paedo, keep out of it" and the Mother stepped in shutting her up and asked where I'd seen him.
I said he's just down there going towards WHSmiths, she gave a big thank you but the older woman was still screaming at me as they walked away.
 
It's always good to care and take notice however the thresholds for social care are shocking and this would not even get noted down I fear.

Social here basically requires the child to be malnourished or under threat of actual bodily harm before anything really happens.

Whole thing stinks as do the CCP who I assume are run by robots and pluck names out of hats as to who gets a day in court...

More money and all authorities need the same bloody thresholds!

Rant over.
 
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