Vista to be Soooo Popular *sarchasm*

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UK officials are talking to Microsoft over fears the new version of Windows could make it harder for police to read suspects' computer files.

Microsoft Vista is due to be rolled out later this year. Cambridge academic Ross Anderson told MPs it would mean more computer files being encrypted.

He urged the government to look at establishing "back door" ways of getting around encryptions.

The Home Office later told the BBC News website it is in talks with Microsoft.

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Professor Anderson, professor of security engineering at Cambridge University, was giving evidence to the Commons home affairs select committee about time limits on holding terrorism suspects without charge.

He said: "From later this year, the encryption landscape is going to change with the release of Microsoft Vista."

The system uses BitLocker Drive Encryption through a chip called TPM (Trusted Platform Module) in the computer's motherboard.

It is partly aimed at preventing people from downloading unlicensed films or media.

"This means that by default your hard disk is encrypted by using a key that you cannot physically get at...

"An unfortunate side effect from law enforcement is it would be technically fairly seriously difficult to dig encrypted material out of the system if it has been set up competently."

Guessing passwords

Professor Anderson said people were discussing the idea of making computer vendors ensure "back door keys" to encrypted material were made available.

The Home Office should enter talks with Microsoft now rather than when the system is introduced, he said.

He said encryption tools generally were either good or useless.

"If they are good, you either guess the password or give up," he said.

The committee heard that suspects could claim to have lost their encryption key - although juries could decide to let this count this against them in the same way as refusing to answer questions in a police interview.

A Home Office spokesman said: "The Home Office has already been in touch with Microsoft concerning this matter and is working closely with them."

Increased awareness about high-tech crime and computer crime has prompted the Home Office to talk to IT companies regularly about new software.

Government officials look at the security of new systems, whether they are easy for the general public to hack into and how the police can access material in them.

Preventing tampering

On its Vista website, Microsoft says Bitlocker Drive Encryption "provides considerable off-line data and operating system protection for your computer".

"BitLocker ensures that data stored on a computer running Windows Vista is not revealed if the machine is tampered with when the installed operating system is offline," it says.

The system, part of what is called "trusted computing" mechanisms, is designed to stop malicious programs being installed surreptitiously on computers.

The Trusted Computing Group has been working for some years on a hardware-based system which is built into the motherboards of many Intel-based computers.

But most people will not be able to use its features until Microsoft Vista is launched.

Critics say the companies behind most trusted computing want to use digital rights management to ensure users cannot use programs they have not approved.


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Vista is going to be so popular. That argument about Trusted COmputing stoppping programs that are bad running on your PC is rubbish. Microsoft should be able to plug holes without having to resort to trusted computing, and the article is right...this O/S is going to be DRM infested.
 
Is Vista already in a hell of a lot of trouble before it is even launched, is the question?

Edit: Personally I don't see what's wrong with Windows XP. Brilliant OS. Very flexible. Most features on Vista will be available for XP. It'll be cheaper furthermore, it's been tuned up soo much it takes little resources :)
There won't be a reason for me to upgrade to Vista anytime soon. Perhaps late 2008 for me :)
 
tbh, I dont fancy buying it.

There should be certain limits with security(is there already? :confused: ). Its ok maybe trying to track down people with mass amounts of illegal software, but having a backdoor into everyones PC is just a joke. Am I right in thinking thats what there trying to do? Or have I got it all wrong :rolleyes:
 
shifty_uk said:
tbh, I dont fancy buying it.

There should be certain limits with security(is there already? :confused: ). Its ok maybe trying to track down people with mass amounts of illegal software, but having a backdoor into everyones PC is just a joke. Am I right in thinking thats what there trying to do? Or have I got it all wrong :rolleyes:

If they have a backdoor into a PC that has a ADSL connection is disturbing. Who's to say some smart hacker wont break it and end up stealing files from the world's computers.

I'm also very concerned about privicy issue.

If a guy in his bedroom can hack NASA, Pentagon and the Navy...who's to say someone can't hack a Windows based O/S?

eXSBass said:
Is Vista already in a hell of a lot of trouble before it is even launched, is the question?

Edit: Personally I don't see what's wrong with Windows XP. Brilliant OS. Very flexible. Most features on Vista will be available for XP. It'll be cheaper furthermore, it's been tuned up soo much it takes little resources :)
There won't be a reason for me to upgrade to Vista anytime soon. Perhaps late 2008 for me :)

I would say yes it is. However, will the media highlight the issues at hand? They didn't with the Sony rootkit fiasco, so perhaps they'll turn a blind eye to this, or hopefully see sense and report on the issues at end...if not it's up to the magazines and blog sites.

I wouldn't say Xp is a brilliant O/S, but once you have 3rd party plugins and you know how to use Xp's functions, then it's a very stable O/S...no blue screen at all in my time with XP.

I can play games, run applications and all that that very well...and lets face it it's going to be a few years till games or software take full advantage of the O/S.

Also many features will make their way to XP such as the filesystem, the right sided dock thing and hell if you want the look of Vista just use Vista 1.4 by Jemaho and WB5 - not perfect Vista GUI, but not to bothered about the 3d windows at the moment in time.

Lt. Manlove said:
Hmm, again with the privacy. Don't know what to make of it.

In this country we're losing privicy on many fronts.
 
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How have people interpreted this as being a privacy issue? It's quite the opposite. Microsoft have file system encryption in Vista, so what? XP has it too. Vista just takes it to the next level. The concern being raised is governments are worried that they won't be able to break the encryption so they are requesting a backdoor instead. They won't get it.
 
NathanE said:
How have people interpreted this as being a privacy issue? It's quite the opposite. Microsoft have file system encryption in Vista, so what? XP has it too. Vista just takes it to the next level. The concern being raised is governments are worried that they won't be able to break the encryption so they are requesting a backdoor instead. They won't get it.

...but yet they bend over backwards to the RIAA and MPAA.
 
Windows Vista, not for me thanks. I still have a Windows 2000 box running without a hiccup or stutter for the last 4 years, let alone my main pc with XP. I am waiting for Linux to catch up, not long now, and then I will ditch M$ altogether. ;)
 
AJUK said:
Windows Vista, not for me thanks. I still have a Windows 2000 box running without a hiccup or stutter for the last 4 years, let alone my main pc with XP. I am waiting for Linux to catch up, not long now, and then I will ditch M$ altogether. ;)

Once high quality games run on Linux, and Linux can be a bit more user friendly then I'm going to go down that route as well. It's only a matter of time...
 
Atomic said:
Once high quality games run on Linux, and Linux can be a bit more user friendly then I'm going to go down that route as well. It's only a matter of time...
I thought about the game issue and hat is one that keeps me away from Linux entirely. However, in the future instead of wasting money on a new OS and probably new hardware I could give my existing pc a new lease of life with Linux for general computing and buy a games console instead.
 
Atomic said:
In this country we're losing privicy on many fronts.

Agree with that.


AJUK said:
I am waiting for Linux to catch up, not long now, and then I will ditch M$ altogether. ;)

Don't really fancy Linux. I'm ok with Windows, not had a lot of problems with XP, although Internet Explorer has caused me more trouble than anything, but thats a different story altogether. If I had more money, I'd go for a Mac. Not sure about Apple's security though.
 
AJUK said:
I thought about the game issue and hat is one that keeps me away from Linux entirely. However, in the future instead of wasting money on a new OS and probably new hardware I could give my existing pc a new lease of life with Linux for general computing and buy a games console instead.

Very possible I'll do the same as games start to become more O/S exclusive like Halo2. The GFX cards issues anoys me that you have to have the latest one to take full advantage of games and spend £400 every six monthsish.

Once more users adopt Linux..then games companies will have to develop for that platfrom or they'll lose out - to go two steps forward, perhaps computer users have to bite the bullet and take two steps back for a while and distch Microsoft and hope that games companies develop for Linux.



It will happen one day. Although XP suits all my needs. I don't see how I benefit for Vista, as I lose out on many fronts with Vista.

I wonder how long it will take for the firs Vista exploit to happen?
 
I'm sick to death of all this DRM rubbish, and sooner or later the general population will be too. I don't want a CD that only plays so many times. I don't want files on my computer to be arbitrarily deletable by Mr Big. I don't want Microsoft, the RIAA or the Government deciding what I do. Let's just hope that they crash and burn with this one.
 
tbh, I'm still on 2k pro, theres NOTHING I want in XP apart from some of the "prettehness" and I doubt that theres ANYTHING Vista will bring that I'll WANT, but as more and more software is comming with "OMG ONLY XP" setups (MSN, AOE etc note mostly MS software) its not gonna be an optional update :(
 
VeNT said:
tbh, I'm still on 2k pro, theres NOTHING I want in XP apart from some of the "prettehness" and I doubt that theres ANYTHING Vista will bring that I'll WANT, but as more and more software is comming with "OMG ONLY XP" setups (MSN, AOE etc note mostly MS software) its not gonna be an optional update :(

Open source will be your friend.

If companies want to make O/S exclusive appications than that's their choice - there are free alternatives out there.
 
I think this could get rather interesting! Microsoft stuff Vista full of DRM, consumers wise up to it, move to linux in their shedloads, games companies wise up to it, start developing games for linux.

That's what I'd like to see happen, atleast. I know I could live with linux on a daily basis, and there are a number of distributions (Linspire, ubuntu etc.) out there for mainstream adopters. If only more games were developed natively for linux (No need for WINE or Cedega), I'd jump ship and say good riddance to Microsoft!
 
Can Ubunto or a mainstream Linux be run on a partion on a HDD? For example if I have XP and that has a 100GB partition, with additional partions for stuff like music and data, could I have a partion sa 50GB for Linux? I want to try this Linux and try and make the jump.
 
VeNT said:
tbh, I'm still on 2k pro, theres NOTHING I want in XP apart from some of the "prettehness" and I doubt that theres ANYTHING Vista will bring that I'll WANT, but as more and more software is comming with "OMG ONLY XP" setups (MSN, AOE etc note mostly MS software) its not gonna be an optional update :(


xp's more stable than 2k imo
 
By the sounds of it, Vista is a bigger jump that 2000 to XP. From my understanding, XP is basically 2000 with extra bells and whistles on it. I don't like the sound of TPM but I'm assuming it's possible to run vista without TPM. Since my PCs will be self-built I should be able to avoid it. Apart from that I like the sound of vista, in general it sounds like a step in the right direction.

As for "waiting for linux to catch up", I can't see that happening anytime soon. I'm sure many people here would be willing to ditch MS and go for Linux but I bet the majority of PC users have never even heard of Linux let alone know anything about it. For Linux to replace windows as the mainstream desktop OS it would need to be thouroughly standardised. And that's difficult to do that for an open source OS. One distribution would have to come out on top and more or less kill the others off for it to get anywhere. In doing that you'd end up losing what people like about linux.
 
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