Vista to be Soooo Popular *sarchasm*

Avalon is WPF and it hasn't been removed.

The only massive feature to have been removed is WinFS but that's getting added in a Service Pack. Considering there was a Beta of WinFS a few months back I'd expect it to be available in SP1.

A lot of the things that got dropped 2 years ago have been silently readded. E.g. the Sidebar.
 
lol brilliant this i aint clued up on every single detail but tbh this is the way the world is going. Freedom is getting less and less and everything we do is/will be monitored. Thinks will only get tighter as well i believe. Blah blah blah about other o/s's fact of the matter is people on this forum know something about PC's the other 99% of the world will go with microsoft. Vista will not flop and tbh i think every 1 knows it. And i have had xp since release and can safely say i havent really had any troubles! Most of it is down to my own fault.

Wise up tbh its coming and it will be used.
 
NathanE said:
Do you really, really, really think that the vast majority of Microsoft's customers want them to remove IE from Windows? If you do, I suggest you rethink that again, and if you still do then I don't know what to say.
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If they were clued up about it then yes, but I don't mean remove it in the tradition sense. What I mean is have an option on install or first start up if you buy the PC to install it or not. My issue is the integration with the O/S...I don't use IE on my PC, but if I want to remove it fully then I really can't get rid.

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In case you aren't following... if Windows didn't come with a web browser from a fresh install, how would the average joe be able to download say Firefox? He couldn't. So he'd be stuck with a PC that he couldn't use the 'net on. He'd have to go buy a computer magazine just for the Cover CD to get a web browser. Far from ideal.
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As I stated, I'm not wanting removal, but an option to have it or not. Also as I stated my problem and many other peoples problem is the integration of it.

NathanE said:
It's all very well saying you're going to try this and that... But until you actually make the switch and stay using that OS for years on end then you haven't switched at all. Everyone goes through the "anti-Microsoft" phase in their life, but eventually they wise up and realise what Microsoft stands for and why they are in the position that they are in today.
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I've just used the Ubuntu Live CD and I was impressed. I'm thinking of giving up PC gaming anyway for Xbox360, and going with Linux for pretty much everything else.
 
Atomic said:
Instead of making childish comments, why don't you put your views forward and make a rebuttal to my comments.
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Sorry - I have no intention of feeding ill informed Trolls who seem to be incapable of reading the detailed answers already given in multiple threads by people that actually know what they are talking about.
 
As another poster said, XP for me is superb.

I really do not see any need to upgrade to Vista as of yet or a few years.

XP does everything I need to and alos little add on packs and all the security updates make it the best OS.

Only the naive will go straight out and buy a copy of Vista.
It will have loads of loop holes/bugs/fixes to be addressed.

Not to mention the uber spec.

TBH, I have not seen one feature that makes me think, 'nice, might have to get that'

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Kerplunk said:
As another poster said, XP for me is superb.

I really do not see any need to upgrade to Vista as of yet or a few years.

XP does everything I need to and alos little add on packs and all the security updates make it the best OS.
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How does it make it the best? Vista builds on XP and improves an awful lot of things 'under the hood', as it were. The network stack has been rewritten - MS have seen speed improvements of 40x on some of their own links using it. The audio stack has been moved out of kernel mode into user mode, and completely rewritten - the mixer now has audio controls for each app. A test was run with a PC under heavy load playing a video - on XP, it spluttered and stuttered along. On Vista, it played perfectly.

The desktop is now composited on the GPU, which is massively more efficient. Security is now an incredible priority - nearly all programs will have to run at low privilege level, and IE7 has to run at a ridiculously low privilege level. You can't get these things in XP.

These aren't really jump-out 'great features' that you'll notice, but they are features that will make the windows experience a little more bearable.

]Not to mention the uber spec.
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What uber spec? Vista has reportedly been outperforming XP on the same hardware. The way the desktop is drawn now is a lot more efficient, for starters.
 
How does it make it the best?
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Best for me. Like I said.

What uber spec?
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The one that you'll need.

These aren't really jump-out 'great features' that you'll notice, but they are features that will make the windows experience a little more bearable
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Exactly, why pay for the same thing, tbh, XP is secure with all the right firewall/virus etc... Plus there are constant updates.
 
JimmyEatWorms said:
Unoptimised versions of Vista will run quite comfortably on a mid-spec PC. You will not need "uber-spec".
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Indeed. The CTP's run fine on my PCs. This PC is three years old - and it'll run glass fine on the 'oh so uber' nVidia fx5200. Only thing you may need is a dash more RAM. 128Mb is now the bare minimum (from 64Mb in XP). I'd think you shouldn't really use anything less than 512Mb. This is hardly uncommon today.
 
JimmyEatWorms said:
I'm pretty sure there will be costant updates for Vista as well.
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Of course. However the fundamental security improvements to that OS will make vulnerability severities less critical. At the moment, the slightest buffer overflow in Windows normally means a highly critical flaw because everybody is running as Administrator. In Vista, buffer overflows can exist as much as they like but the code that exploits them will still only have the same user privileges as the current user. There will of course still be the occassional flaw where privilege escalation is possible, but that's to be expected now and then - as it is with any OS.
 
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Thats absolutely ridiculous, as soon as hackers find that backdoor its all over man. THATS IT, im learning how to use Linux now, I dont want every tom dick and harry avin a sneaky peak in my pc............what right does MS have to allow them to do this?, its MY COMPUTER, i dont want anyone looking in on it, also NOT the bloomin goverment
 
Combat squirrel said:
Thats absolutely ridiculous, as soon as hackers find that backdoor its all over man. THATS IT, im learning how to use Linux now, I dont want every tom dick and harry avin a sneaky peak in my pc............what right does MS have to allow them to do this?, its MY COMPUTER, i dont want anyone looking in on it, also NOT the bloomin goverment
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Read the article, not just the headline!

Microsoft haven't put a "backdoor" in at all. It's just our government and probably several other governments have expressed concern over the level of encryption provided by Vista. The problem here is that security is Vista is *too* tight and governments don't like it because it makes their job (computer forensics) harder.

Even if Microsoft did add a special key for law enforcement agencies, they would still need to confiscate your computer. It's not something that could be "exploited" by hackers remotely. It would require physical access.
 
AJUK said:
I am waiting for Linux to catch up, not long now, and then I will ditch M$ altogether. ;)
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you need not wait...check out SuSe 10.1 (still in beta stages i know) but its certainly looking to be what Vista says it'll be, and you can easily download a linux beta to see it for yourself (i'm gonna install BETA 3 when i get home tonight) :)

and in terms of Vista being a product for me..i don't know...all this DRM stuff doesn't sound appealing and i might stick with XP..at least i know what happening in XP.
 
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Oooh, 10.1 beta. I do have 9.2 which I was using but due to my lack of Linux abilities (and patience :o ) I never carried on using it. Perhaps it is time to try again.
 
As someone else posted but didnt get a reply, what will happen when you want to chnge your motherboard? Will there be some way of resetting the encription to let you upgrade your PC?

and on the subject of backdoors, I bet there will be some kind of backdoor to the encription, the US government would have forced microsoft to put it in.

Vista will sell just as well if not better than xp as all new prebuilt pcs will have it on them and the majority of people on this forum will buy it too. Maybe not within a year but eventually, just like xp. How many people said they would stick with 98 or NT when xp first came out

If this DMR actually lets you legally copy your HD-DVD video onto your hard drive that can only be a good thing. As long as it doesnt stop you copying your cd's onto your HD i don't mind
 
Amp34 said:
As someone else posted but didnt get a reply, what will happen when you want to chnge your motherboard? Will there be some way of resetting the encription to let you upgrade your PC?

and on the subject of backdoors, I bet there will be some kind of backdoor to the encription, the US government would have forced microsoft to put it in.

Vista will sell just as well if not better than xp as all new prebuilt pcs will have it on them and the majority of people on this forum will buy it too. Maybe not within a year but eventually, just like xp. How many people said they would stick with 98 or NT when xp first came out

If this DMR actually lets you legally copy your HD-DVD video onto your hard drive that can only be a good thing. As long as it doesnt stop you copying your cd's onto your HD i don't mind
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If you change the motherboard, you're stuffed, your data is gone. But then, nobody is forcing you to use BitLocker in the first place...

Combat squirrel said:
this could with some jiggery pokery give access to a hacker
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No. Like I said, _if_ Microsoft add a backdoor it would _require_ _physical access_ to the computer in order to use it.
 
I give up trying to explain. Just wait for it to come out and you will all be able to see for yourself, you will also be using it just like you was XP. :)

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