Vista to be Soooo Popular *sarchasm*
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Christ, there's so much FUD in this thread it's unreal.
Microsoft are not implementing DRM into Windows Vista (it's in XP as well by the way) to stop you downloading your MP3s. DRM is Digital Rights Management. It is there to manage your rights to digital content you have purchased. It's going to enable you to view that video you bought online, or that music album you just bought and downloaded. Or to watch that new Blu-Ray film you just bought.
If you seriously think that Vista is going to go around your file system and stop you playing your warezed MP3 files, then you are mistaken.
And to those of you proposing to move to Linux, unless that gets a DRM implementation, then there won't be a legal way to watch HD content on that platform. Microsoft aren't putting DRM in for fun, it's because if they didn't, you would come along moaning that a next-gen OS can't play next-gen media.
Edit: Hold on, I need to fit in with the rest of the OcUK crowd. Screw Mikkkkkkro$$$$$$oft!
Microsoft are not implementing DRM into Windows Vista (it's in XP as well by the way) to stop you downloading your MP3s. DRM is Digital Rights Management. It is there to manage your rights to digital content you have purchased. It's going to enable you to view that video you bought online, or that music album you just bought and downloaded. Or to watch that new Blu-Ray film you just bought.
If you seriously think that Vista is going to go around your file system and stop you playing your warezed MP3 files, then you are mistaken.
And to those of you proposing to move to Linux, unless that gets a DRM implementation, then there won't be a legal way to watch HD content on that platform. Microsoft aren't putting DRM in for fun, it's because if they didn't, you would come along moaning that a next-gen OS can't play next-gen media.
Edit: Hold on, I need to fit in with the rest of the OcUK crowd. Screw Mikkkkkkro$$$$$$oft!
Caged said:
Digital Restriction Managment is going to restrict what I do with my legally bought media, so that companies get more money off people as they have to buy the same song for example in multiple formats so that they have a CD and a song on their IPOD or MP3 player.
Media will run just fine without DRM - DRM does not benefit the consumer.
Also next gen media is irrelevant for the next few years. Hell, there's no clear winner yet...there's two types - Hd DVD and Blue Ray - one will fall at least.
Yes XP has connections to DRM, and it's bad enough with Xp, however, with Vista, then surely with it being the next O/S it's going to be enhanced, so that people who buy content that has DRM on it will screw the consumer.
Soldato
This thread is suffering from a severe case of FUD.
Until Vista is out in the shops for people to see for their own eyes what its "DRM protection" really consists of, people will just keep on thinking in their own little worlds.
Until Vista is out in the shops for people to see for their own eyes what its "DRM protection" really consists of, people will just keep on thinking in their own little worlds.
Associate
dont it sound the same moaning that was about when XP was coming out , its this its that , i am not buying that bloated OS . now its the best thing since sliced bread
lordedmond said:
After how many patches?
Not to mention 3rd party utilites to keep your computer safe and secure...not to mention that Microsoft will charge people a yearly fee or something for One Care to sort out the O/S - which lets face it should be doing anyway regardless of this One Care product.
You also have features from Vista slipping into XP..again another reason not to update to Vista.
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bledd. said:
Never noticed any difference here. I have a 2K box that is an install of about 4 years without as much as a sputter, pretty stable for me. XP is just 2K with eye candy and some security tool monitors. In fact 2K is NT5 code and XP is NT5.1.
Soldato
Answer: Less than any other mainstream desktop operating system.Atomic said:
Optional. If people want to run anti-virus and firewall software, that's up to them. Most power users do not. Moreover, the security model has been taken back to its roots in Vista, one of secure by design and default. The reason XP didn't have this is because at the time the focus was on transitioning from Win9x to NT. Vista does, and frankly NT's security model is (and always has been) second to none. It was a shame that XP completely shunned it in favour of backward compatibility. The net result of this is that Vista will be highly hardened against malware.Atomic said:
Again, that's your choice if you want to take out a subscription to OneCare. I personally believe OneCare will cease to exist in about 2 years time when the managers at Microsoft realise they over killed the security problem.Atomic said:
What, WPF? So what? It's not going to add anything to XP. It's merely a software development framework for developers to use for their software. If Microsoft didn't backport WPF to XP nobody would use WPF for years in their applications. They want WPF to gain popularity quickly. IE7, well that's just a web browser. And they're backporting it to XP for the similar reasons as WPF. Developers would have to wait years before they could take advantage of the new features.Atomic said:
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The people who buy Vista will be computer newbies who buy from No competitor talk please, or people on here think having Vista is like having a bigger penis and wave it about.
Vista's going to flop beyond belief, but Nathan is right, we should really judge once it's out and then ridicule it.
As for Managed copying, are you refering to the HD DVD thing? Yeah, it's true HD DVD most likely allow a copy to your hard-drive, but at what cost? Will you need an Internet connection to activate it? Will it be covered in DRM - many unanswered questions about it, and what of compatibility issues, will it be exclusive to WMP10 and beyond kinda like an Itunes allow only playback on IPODS?
Above all Trusted Computing can not be allowed to get a foothold in the computing world via Vista - it will be a disaster long-term, but if people want to buy Vista and think it's the best thing then go ahead...
'From later this year, the encryption landscape is going to change with the release of Microsoft Vista.' The system uses BitLocker Drive Encryption through a chip called TPM (Trusted Platform Module) in the computer's motherboard. It is partly aimed at preventing people from downloading unlicensed films or media."
That above quote scares me. How the hell will a chip decide what's licensed or isn't licensed? How will it know the difference between for example downloading a illegal film and a legal download of a film - both without DRM...I just don't get how it's going to work, so there's got to be something else to it.
Vista's going to flop beyond belief, but Nathan is right, we should really judge once it's out and then ridicule it.
As for Managed copying, are you refering to the HD DVD thing? Yeah, it's true HD DVD most likely allow a copy to your hard-drive, but at what cost? Will you need an Internet connection to activate it? Will it be covered in DRM - many unanswered questions about it, and what of compatibility issues, will it be exclusive to WMP10 and beyond kinda like an Itunes allow only playback on IPODS?
Above all Trusted Computing can not be allowed to get a foothold in the computing world via Vista - it will be a disaster long-term, but if people want to buy Vista and think it's the best thing then go ahead...
'From later this year, the encryption landscape is going to change with the release of Microsoft Vista.' The system uses BitLocker Drive Encryption through a chip called TPM (Trusted Platform Module) in the computer's motherboard. It is partly aimed at preventing people from downloading unlicensed films or media."
That above quote scares me. How the hell will a chip decide what's licensed or isn't licensed? How will it know the difference between for example downloading a illegal film and a legal download of a film - both without DRM...I just don't get how it's going to work, so there's got to be something else to it.
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Soldato
No it isn't. It's going to be the biggest Windows OS yet. People are going to love it.Atomic said:
It scares you because you don't understand what it means (hence the FUD - fear, uncertainty, doubt.) TPM is just a chip that stores a unique key (sort of like a MAC address, but FAR more unique) on each computer motherboard. TPM will only be on certain motherboards - most likely those manufacturered with the intention of being business PCs (because that's where DRM is most useful). Boards from folks like Asus, Abit et al _may_ have them eventually but I'd expect those vendors to let you disable them in the BIOS with no issue.Atomic said:
As people have been trying to explain to you, DRM has very very little to do with anti-piracy. TPM/DRM are not going to prevent you using BitTorrent, it won't prevent you Googling for certain search terms, it won't prevent you using IRC DCC channels, it won't prevent you listening to pirated MP3, it won't prevent you ripping audio CDs to MP3, it won't prevent you from backing up software, I could go on...
Oh and the BitLocker drive encryption has nothing to do with DRM. It's just an improved version of what we already have in NTFS today. Except it uses the TPM key (if you have one on your motherboard) to encrypt your files with. This means, if you swapped the hard drive to another PC the content would be useless as it's totally encrypted. It needs the TPM on the motherboard to decrypt.
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Soldato
The thing that gets me is activation, i have five, yes five leagal cotia copies of xp in my house . When i upgrade a pc (change a mb) most times xp refuses to activate and i have to sit on a phone talking to an indian call center for 30 mins, not that much trouble i know, but i am aware that pirate copies can very easily be obtained for free and with those i wouldnt have to activate.
With this hardware chip thing lets hope it doesnt get used to tie your copy to one mb and if your disc is encrypted using akey on your mb, whats going to happen when you change mb.
If microsoft are going to embrace all this security and drm to keep the corporates happy, they need to allow people to opt out as well.
It doesnt look too good to me, i dont think vista security will be fantastic and this key on the mb sounds like ms trying to shift more copies by force.
Matbe and its a very big maybe osx will provide competition, linux wont.
Probably though in the end the hobbyist will have to use linux as a ms pc will be like a music center, just a black box.
I think we're living, or just past, the golden time for pc's the more the corporations work out, the less we will be able to do and enthusiasts will be gradually squeezed out.
Where do enthusiasts fit into ms big plan, probably knowwhere we're just a bunch of whingers.
With this hardware chip thing lets hope it doesnt get used to tie your copy to one mb and if your disc is encrypted using akey on your mb, whats going to happen when you change mb.
If microsoft are going to embrace all this security and drm to keep the corporates happy, they need to allow people to opt out as well.
It doesnt look too good to me, i dont think vista security will be fantastic and this key on the mb sounds like ms trying to shift more copies by force.
Matbe and its a very big maybe osx will provide competition, linux wont.
Probably though in the end the hobbyist will have to use linux as a ms pc will be like a music center, just a black box.
I think we're living, or just past, the golden time for pc's the more the corporations work out, the less we will be able to do and enthusiasts will be gradually squeezed out.
Where do enthusiasts fit into ms big plan, probably knowwhere we're just a bunch of whingers.
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Atomic star out the competitor before a don sees it
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Atomic said:
Yes you can! when you boot up you would get the choice of which OS to use.
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Will all motherboards be fitted with this chip? Are current motherboards fitted with it?Atomic said:
Atomic said:
With informed comment like that you could be well qualified for a position such as the IT correspondant for the Sunday Sport
BTW I hear Elvis is indeed alive, lives in Manchester and is a Linux guru, he's quoted as saying he's really looking forward to all the games coming out on it in the next few years...
Thanks Sputnik.
Also, Nathan, how long will Vista be before it's useable? Lets fave it it's only the past year since Windows XP has been useable O/Sm and even then people have issues with SP2 - I don't, but then again I've got the edition that comes with SP2.
Microosft and it's shareholders have been unhappy at the release schedule of Vista, as they believe and wanted it shipped earlier. This means that in theory the next O/S after Vista will surely be out only a couple years after Vista. Vista just going to be the next ME.
Also, Nathan, how long will Vista be before it's useable? Lets fave it it's only the past year since Windows XP has been useable O/Sm and even then people have issues with SP2 - I don't, but then again I've got the edition that comes with SP2.
Microosft and it's shareholders have been unhappy at the release schedule of Vista, as they believe and wanted it shipped earlier. This means that in theory the next O/S after Vista will surely be out only a couple years after Vista. Vista just going to be the next ME.