Vista to be Soooo Popular *sarchasm*

tmileson said:
With informed comment like that you could be well qualified for a position such as the IT correspondant for the Sunday Sport :D

BTW I hear Elvis is indeed alive, lives in Manchester and is a Linux guru, he's quoted as saying he's really looking forward to all the games coming out on it in the next few years...

:D :D :D :D

Instead of making childish comments, why don't you put your views forward and make a rebuttal to my comments.
 
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/security/0,39020375,39249368,00.htm

The "Trusted Computing" technologies promoted by major IT companies such as Microsoft and IBM could have negative consequences for customers and rival software makers, according to security experts.

Alan Cox, a lead Linux kernel developer and security architect, said that trusting computing has often been used to lock customers into buying a particular software and to prevent rival software makers from competing on that platform.

"What we've seen so far in the games console industry has been directed as if users are scum — 'this console has lots of fancy hardware so you can't run games we haven't written'. This has been a very negative thing and has been used as a way of cutting down competition," Cox said, at a conference on Trusted Computing held in London on Thursday.

The Trusted Computing Group is developing industry standard specifications for trusted computing building blocks. It has claimed that that the technology will create a safer computer environment, reduce business risks and protect end-user data.

Ross Anderson, a professor of security engineering at Cambridge University who spoke at the same event, agreed with Cox that trusted computing could be used to reinforce monopolies and lock in customers. He claimed the Information Rights Management (IRM) technology that Microsoft introduced in Office 2003, which aims to protect customer's information from unauthorised access, makes it more difficult for companies to migrate to alternative desktop products.

"Imagine that all your customers start using information rights management, if you then want to change to OpenOffice you will have to go to every customer and get their [authentication] certificate," Anderson claimed. "Switching then becomes more difficult — it's no longer a matter of migrating the data that you control, but migrating data that is controlled by many people."

Anderson claimed that the PC industry is moving towards a different business model where hardware is subsidised by software purchases. He predicted that by 2008, people may be able to buy an "OfficePlan" for $29.95 (£16.80) a month, which will give them free hardware on which they can use Microsoft Office applications. The increasing use of this business model would have negative implications for free software vendors. "Companies won't let people run free software on the free hardware," Anderson said.

But Trusting Computing is not inherently "evil", according to Cox, who said that the technology could be useful for preventing tampered software from accessing a network, or to help protect auditing and virus tools from being compromised.

"Trusted Computing is a tool. There's a lot of political debate, that it's really evil or good. But it's only a tool," he said "A lot of people would rather it went away, but we only need to understand what the negatives are so people don't misuse it."

One important step would be to stop using the phrase Trusted Computing, as it is "very misleading", according to Cox. He suggested that it is referred to as "proving and provisioning" instead, to make it clear that it is predominantly about approval, rather than safety.

"An approval system doesn't protect you, whereas Trusted Computing gives you the impression that it's your friend," he said.
 
Atomic said:
Thanks Sputnik.

Also, Nathan, how long will Vista be before it's useable? Lets fave it it's only the past year since Windows XP has been useable O/Sm and even then people have issues with SP2 - I don't, but then again I've got the edition that comes with SP2.

Microosft and it's shareholders have been unhappy at the release schedule of Vista, as they believe and wanted it shipped earlier. This means that in theory the next O/S after Vista will surely be out only a couple years after Vista. Vista just going to be the next ME.
Windows XP has 'only' been useable for the past year? What rubbish, I have been using Windows XP since it's release. I din't have any problems then and I do not have any now. There has been some enhancements since it's release, yes. But the overall performance, stability of XP has been pretty much the same.

You do not have any problems as you have the edition that comes with SP2, it is the same as installing the service pack or slipstreaming it. Do you think Microsoft compile a special version for the ones that come with SP1 or SP2 pre-installled? No, that's why slipstreaming is available. Good that, eh?

Vista will never be the next ME, also Vista will be a long term OS just like XP.

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sfx said:
Windows XP has 'only' been useable for the past year? What rubbish, I have been using Windows XP since it's release. I din't have any problems then and I do not have any now. There has been some enhancements since it's release, yes. But the overall performance, stability of XP has been pretty much the same.

You do not have any problems as you have the edition that comes with SP2, it is the same as installing the service pack or slipstreaming it. Do you think Microsoft compile a special version for the ones that come with SP1 or SP2 pre-installled? No, that's why slipstreaming is available. Good that, eh?

Vista will never be the next ME, also Vista will be a long term OS just like XP.

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May I offer you a tissue to wipe the brown off your nose. Microsoft's Xp O/s is more or less useable and fine now, however, just a few years ago it wasn't...hence the many, many patches for it.

Vista a long term O/S? Million shareholders just screamed out in terror. I love how people have to love the latest piece of technology so when they have it they becomea "tech elite" as I said before...it's just a big penis waving parade.

Vista is impotent of real and proper features, and am sure holes wil be found in it. I honestly wish there was much more in Vista, and much less in some parts of it...but it's not to be.
 
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Atomic said:
So you have made a quote from a website and said nothing yourself? Ok so there is IRM in Office which would make it difficult for people to switch to other alternatives. You do not have to use IRM, I know I don't and I use Office 2003.

Who is at fault here Microsoft or the other companies for not taking the same actions as Microsoft?

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Atomic said:
May I offer you a tissue to wipe the brown off your nose. Microsoft's Xp O/s is more or less useable and fine now, however, just a few years ago it wasn't...hence the many, many patches for it.

Vista a long term O/S? Million shareholders just screamed out in terror. I love how people have to love the latest piece of technology so when they have it they becomea "tech elite" as I said before...it's just a big penis waving parade.

Vista is impotent of real and proper features, and am sure holes wil be found in it. I honestly wish there was much more in Vista, and much less in some parts of it...but it's not to be.
As said before, not half as many service releases compared to other companies. Also maybe if you understood what actually went in to developing an operating system you would understand the need for service releases and patches. You would also understand that ironing out all the bugs is a very time consuming process and with something as complex as Windows I am affraid there is always going to something find its way to the surface.

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sfx said:
So you have made a quote from a website and said nothing yourself? Ok so there is IRM in Office which would make it difficult for people to switch to other alternatives. You do not have to use IRM, I know I don't and I use Office 2003.

Who is at fault here Microsoft or the other companies for not taking the same actions as Microsoft?

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For the good of the computing industry, Microsoft and others should not be promoting Trusted Computing, because in theory it can give them an advantage over other competitors..maybe not with Vista (but only time will tell) but I'm certain in time Trusted COmputing will dictate what we can have or can't have on our PC's...it must be stopped before it can grow.

DRM's growing, and must be stoped. As you've seen with Sony...if a company can get away with using dodgy DRM then it will...only one problem they didn't anticipate some computer geek posting it on a website and the whole world of geeks and music lovers erupting in anger.

Also I'm never saying software like an O/S will be bugfree, but Jesus, the holes in XP we're pathetic and should have been fixed early on. Didn't Vista get a code rewrite or something a year or two ago? That doesn't fill me with confidence wither, especially when by release it will work out at 3 yrs code writing, and with Vienna already being discussed and am sure plans are laid out for it at Redmond then expect Vienna three years after Vista.

Also once Internet Explorer is not a part of a Microsoft's O/S it may help to get my attention. I don't mind it coming as an extra installation package (users then have the option to install it or not. on the disc, but it can't be built in to the extent it is).
 
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Vista will last a good 3 possibly 4 years, if Microsoft's roadmap for Vienna is to be believed.

XP has always been a usable OS. Blaster did not change that.

The fact that Vista is the next big thing and that everybody wants it now (except you) has nothing to do with it being a "willy waving parade".

Vista has thousands of new "real and proper" features. Just you wait and see. Vista is the biggest upgrade to Windows since the Win3.1->Win95 transition.

I'm sure holes will be found in it - nobody is saying it's the god of OSes.

If you don't mind me asking, what OS did you use during the period that Windows XP was supposedly "unusable"?

Vista is an incremental upgrade, it is NT version 6. Some parts of it (namely the network, audio and video subsystems) have been redesigned from scratch to take better advantage of the hardware resources available today. The rest of it is just incremental development however. So no, they haven't just "rushed" the code together in a matter of years. It is the culmination of almost 2 decades work.
 
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Thousands of features, please post them...

The O/S that I used prior to XP was Windows 98 or ME. Yes, for the first few years I found that O/S to be fine...I acknowledge that the blue screen or lack of it with Xp is a very good thing, and I welcomed that, however, due to cost, the fact I'd have to build a new PC for XP I thought I'd wait till late in it's life to get it.

XP is much better than 98/ME, however, the security exploits being found in that O/S we're also a turn off for me. Also the fact many 3rd party enhancements have helped XP top look and operate better did attract me to the XP O/S as well.
 
Atomic said:
Thousands of features, please post them...

The O/S that I used prior to XP was Windows 98 or ME. Yes, for the first few years I found that O/S to be fine...I acknowledge that the blue screen or lack of it with Xp is a very good thing, and I welcomed that, however, due to cost, the fact I'd have to build a new PC for XP I thought I'd wait till late in it's life to get it.

XP is much better than 98/ME, however, the security exploits being found in that O/S we're also a turn off for me. Also the fact many 3rd party enhancements have helped XP top look and operate better did attract me to the XP O/S as well.
Security holes that did crop up in XP have never been a probalem with me as Microsoft are pretty good at getting patches out in a timely fashion.

May I ask what 3rd party enhancement you 'needed'?

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sfx said:
Security holes that did crop up in XP have never been a probalem with me as Microsoft are pretty good at getting patches out in a timely fashion.

May I ask what 3rd party enhancement you 'needed'?

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Sure: Perfect Disk Defrag, Spybot, Adaware, Anti Virus tool, 7zip, Windowblinds 5 with Jemaho Vista 1.4, Object Dock, Icon Packager, WinAmp, Media Player classic, FireFox and rootkit revealer.

As for patching, some have messed up and not worked. There was a case of a critical one a few months back just failing to do the job, but a big problem for the O/S is the intergration of Internet Explorer, and that really has to go.
 
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Atomic said:
Sure: Perfect Disk Defrag, Spybot, Adaware, Anti Virus tool, 7zip, Windowblinds 5 with Jemaho Vista 1.4, Object Dock, Icon Packager, WinAmp, Media Player classic, FireFox and rootkit revealer.

As for patching, some have messed up and not worked. There was a case of a critical one a few months back just failing to do the job, but a big problem for the O/S is the intergration of Internet Explorer, and that really has to go.
You didn't actually "need" any of those utilities.

Patch problems are very rare. Microsoft tests their patches for at least a week before releasing them.

IE integration isn't going anywhere, nor should it.

With so much dislike for Windows I really wonder why you are still using it. Why not try out the "alternatives"? I'm pretty sure you'll be back within a flash, though.
 
Atomic said:
Can Ubunto or a mainstream Linux be run on a partion on a HDD? For example if I have XP and that has a 100GB partition, with additional partions for stuff like music and data, could I have a partion sa 50GB for Linux? I want to try this Linux and try and make the jump.
Sputnik II said:
Yes you can! when you boot up you would get the choice of which OS to use.


Atomic - you also have the option of downloading, and messing about with, the Ubuntu Live CD (other distros have them too I believe). That way you can get a little taste without having to alter your system.
 
NathanE said:
You didn't actually "need" any of those utilities.

Patch problems are very rare. Microsoft tests their patches for at least a week before releasing them.

IE integration isn't going anywhere, nor should it.

With so much dislike for Windows I really wonder why you are still using it. Why not try out the "alternatives"? I'm pretty sure you'll be back within a flash, though.

I'm trying alternatives, but a shame Microsoft is such a monopoly.

Also I did need those programs otherwise I wouldn't of bothered with them.

What the hell? IE integration shouldn't go anyway? PLease explain why...may I ask do you work for Microsoft or something?

I'm also considering getting a Apple MAC.
 
Do you really, really, really think that the vast majority of Microsoft's customers want them to remove IE from Windows? If you do, I suggest you rethink that again, and if you still do then I don't know what to say.

In case you aren't following... if Windows didn't come with a web browser from a fresh install, how would the average joe be able to download say Firefox? He couldn't. So he'd be stuck with a PC that he couldn't use the 'net on. He'd have to go buy a computer magazine just for the Cover CD to get a web browser. Far from ideal.

It's all very well saying you're going to try this and that... But until you actually make the switch and stay using that OS for years on end then you haven't switched at all. Everyone goes through the "anti-Microsoft" phase in their life, but eventually they wise up and realise what Microsoft stands for and why they are in the position that they are in today.
 
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Atomic said:
I'm also considering getting a Apple MAC.

It's right, slap-bang in the middle of a transition at the moment from PowerPC to Intel tech, so not much in the way of 3rd party, native support.

It has Rosetta to run PPC apps but that's slow compared to native.

I'd hang on considering OSX until Universal apps are more common.

That's if you bought the latest hardware.
 
I'd be more interested in Vista if it was as originally promised by Microsoft - as development has gone on supposed 'key features' of the new features - such as the WinFS SQL-based filing system and Avalon - have been quietly removed from the end product as M$ struggles to bring out the os in a reasonable time frame
 
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