Vote: Chelsea vs Liverpool

BoomAM · 1 Mar 2006 at 15:16

Got to love how adult your being about this discussion. :rolleyes:

Why are you so confrontational? Do you enjoy insulting people? And being delibrately argumentative?
Wether you claim to mean it in jest is becides the point. It wont come across that way on a forum unless its blindingly obvious or people know what your like.
Oh, and BaZ87, i noticed that a page or so back that you said Gerrard was voted the best midfielder in Europe. Which i asume you mean in the Champions League. Now, asume you havnt made an error in judgement, thats not entirely right. Last season, 'Ricardo Izecson dos Santos Leite', formally known as Kaká, was voted the best midfielder of the tournament.

BaZ87 · 1 Mar 2006 at 15:18

JohnnyG said:
OK forgetting my sellective attention for a minute, this is what you've said:

"As for the keepers, i think its too early to judge Reina after 6months, Cech was amazing last year but its been close between the 2 this season, but i'll give it to Cech because of last seasons performances"

How can you rate Cech higher based on last years performances when you add things like:

"Those votes were on last years performance's firstly..."
"Basically what im saying is that "Last Year" Lampard was better than Gerrard but he is not a better player in my opinion"

Accept other people's opinions may differ to yours, it'll stand you in good stead when you grow up

or
C) Goldmember

Read this slowly JohnnyG and you might understand. I said Cech was better because from his performances last year you can see what he is CAPABLE of doing. Even though this year he hasn't been as good and played at the same level as Reina. Therefore i have only seen Reina this season and his best performance's (therefore all i can say that he is capable of doing "so far") have not been as good as Cech's best performance's from last season. Where as if you compare Gerrard at his best and Lampard at his best there is no comparison in my opinion. LAST YEAR LAMPARD WAS BETTER THAN GERRARD, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT LAMPARD IS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING PERFORMANCES WHICH GERRARD HAS PROVEN HE CAN BOTH THIS SEASON AND IN PREVIOUS SEASONS.

BoomAM · 1 Mar 2006 at 15:20

Lampards been very good for this season thus far. Last season under Jose. The season before under Ranieri, and was quite good the seasons before that.
The difference for Lampard is that he has seen the extra midfielders as competition and has taken it upon himself to improve as much as possible so that he can keep a place in the team. As has Terry.

BaZ87 · 1 Mar 2006 at 15:24

BoomAM said:
Oh, and BaZ87, i noticed that a page or so back that you said Gerrard was voted the best midfielder in Europe. Which i asume you mean in the Champions League. Now, asume you havnt made an error in judgement, thats not entirely right. Last season, 'Ricardo Izecson dos Santos Leite', formally known as Kaká, was voted the best midfielder of the tournament.

I actually said Gerrard was name Europe's most Valuable player, if you read the very next sentence i actually say that Kaka was named best midfielder. And it was a Uefa vote based on Europe and domestic performance's not just the CL. And i meant to be coming across as sarcastic and playful not so confrontational.

JohnnyG · 1 Mar 2006 at 15:29

BaZ87 said:
Read this slowly JohnnyG and you might understand. I said Cech was better because from his performances last year you can see what he is CAPABLE of doing. Even though this year he hasn't been as good and played at the same level as Reina. Therefore i have only seen Reina this season and his best performance's (therefore all i can say that he is capable of doing "so far") have not been as good as Cech's best performance's from last season. Where as if you compare Gerrard at his best and Lampard at his best there is no comparison in my opinion. LAST YEAR LAMPARD WAS BETTER THAN GERRARD, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT LAMPARD IS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING PERFORMANCES WHICH GERRARD HAS PROVEN HE CAN BOTH THIS SEASON AND IN PREVIOUS SEASONS.

I've read it as slow as I can, it still makes little sense

So Cech is better than Reina because last years performances were better than what you've seen of Reina's this year? Even though currently Cech is playing about the same as Reina that still makes him a better player now?
And last year Lampard's performances were better than Gerrard's but because Gerrard is capable of better performances than Lamps, that makes him a better player now?
Have I got it yet?

BaZ87 · 1 Mar 2006 at 15:31

BoomAM said:
Lampards been very good for this season thus far. Last season under Jose. The season before under Ranieri, and was quite good the seasons before that.
The difference for Lampard is that he has seen the extra midfielders as competition and has taken it upon himself to improve as much as possible so that he can keep a place in the team. As has Terry.

I have never said that Lampard is a bad player. I just don't think he is as good as Gerrard. I also said that I agree that Lampards performance's were better than Gerrads last year. But Gerrard at his best in my opinion is better than Lampard. Last year Andy Johnson was better than Rooney in many people's opinions (he was voted in the Premier Leagues team of the year ahead of him), does that mean Andy Johnson is a better player than Rooney.

BoomAM · 1 Mar 2006 at 15:34

BaZ87 said:
I actually said Gerrard was name Europe's most Valuable player, if you read the very next sentence i actually say that Kaka was named best midfielder.

Where has Gerrard ever been named Europes Most Valuable? Outside of Anfield...

And it was a Uefa vote based on Europe and domestic performance's not just the CL.

The vote covers both the CL & Domestic. Your point seems to imply that the vote is invalidated because of it, yet, Gerrard was named in it. As was most of the players from the final. :confused:

BaZ87 · 1 Mar 2006 at 15:34

JohnnyG said:
I've read it as slow as I can, it still makes little sense
So Cech is better than Reina because last years performances were better than what you've seen of Reina's this year? Even though currently Cech is playing about the same as Reina that still makes him a better player now?
And last year Lampard's performances were better than Gerrard's but because Gerrard is capable of better performances than Lamps, that makes him a better player now?
Have I got it yet?

Your getting there, i should be a teacher. Im saying that Cech has shown TO ME he is a top goalkeeper were as Reina hasn't YET. I have had 18months to judge Cech and 6months to judge Reina. As for Lampard i admit he was better than Gerrard last year, BUT Gerrard has shown TO ME during December and January of this season and in previous seasons that he has more ability than Lampard.

BoomAM · 1 Mar 2006 at 15:35

Ive gotta admit, arguing with you seems a little pointless, when you sometimes contradict your own points and invalidate them in various ways.

BaZ87 · 1 Mar 2006 at 15:37

BoomAM said:
Where has Gerrard ever been named Europes Most Valuable? Outside of Anfield...

The same place that Cech was named best Goal Keeper, Terry best Defender, Kaka best Midfielder and Ronaldhinio best Striker.

BoomAM said:
The vote covers both the CL & Domestic. Your point seems to imply that the vote is invalidated because of it, yet, Gerrard was named in it. As was most of the players from the final.

No only Gerrard and Kaka were from the final, the other three awards went to Terry, Cech and Ronaldhinio.

BaZ87 · 1 Mar 2006 at 15:38

BoomAM said:
Ive gotta admit, arguing with you seems a little pointless, when you sometimes contradict your own points and invalidate them in various ways.

So your arguing, i thourght it was me that was argumentetive? Saying that also shows you contradicted yourself aswell. Also how have i invalidated my points. It is a fact that Gerrard was name Uefa's most valuable player, its not my fault you didn't know about it. It is also not my fault that you talk crap; you claim that i make Various comments about chelsea fans, which i made 1 joke, you also claimed that i said Gerrard was named best midfielder in europe and went to the effort of trying took look clever by saying kaka won it (and even giving his real name), which again if you could read i actually say that Kaka was named best midfielder and Gerrard was name most valuable player. You must feel really stupid when either all your points are either wrong or you critisie people of things and then show that you are a hypocryte by doing them aswell (as stated above).

JohnnyG · 1 Mar 2006 at 15:42

BaZ87 said:
Your getting there, i should be a teacher. Im saying that Cech has shown TO ME he is a top goalkeeper were as Reina hasn't YET. I have had 18months to judge Cech and 6months to judge Reina. As for Lampard i admit he was better than Gerrard last year, BUT Gerrard has shown TO ME during December and January of this season and in previous seasons that he has more ability than Lampard.

I wouldn't go in to teaching if I were you, you have a really bad way of putting your point across & it would be bad for society to have too many people growing up with those traits

Good for you, you've obviously watched Gerrard a lot, probably more than you've watched Lampard so you're entitled to a biased opinion, it's wrong though

BaZ87 · 1 Mar 2006 at 15:47

JohnnyG said:
I wouldn't go in to teaching if I were you, you have a really bad way of putting your point across & it would be bad for society to have too many people growing up with those traits
Good for you, you've obviously watched Gerrard a lot, probably more than you've watched Lampard so you're entitled to a biased opinion, it's wrong though

Thanks for the advise on teaching. I proberly have watched Gerrard more than Lampard (of which i have seen a lot aswell) just like i guess you have seen more of Lampard than Gerrard. I wouldn't say it was a biased opinion, i would have thourght i have proved myself not to be biased by claiming that Cech was better than Reina even though on this seasons performance's there has not been much between them and saying that Crespo was better than Fowler. And remember that's your opinion that i am wrong even though i think you are wrong. Anyway i think we are going to have to agree to disagree.

JohnnyG · 1 Mar 2006 at 15:52

BaZ87 said:
Anyway i think we are going to have to agree to disagree.

I knew there was some sense in there somewhere

BoomAM · 1 Mar 2006 at 16:26

BaZ87 said:
So your arguing, i thourght it was me that was argumentetive? Saying that also shows you contradicted yourself aswell. Also how have i invalidated my points. It is a fact that Gerrard was name Uefa's most valuable player, its not my fault you didn't know about it. It is also not my fault that you talk crap; you claim that i make Various comments about chelsea fans, which i made 1 joke, you also claimed that i said Gerrard was named best midfielder in europe and went to the effort of trying took look clever by saying kaka won it (and even giving his real name), which again if you could read i actually say that Kaka was named best midfielder and Gerrard was name most valuable player. You must feel really stupid when either all your points are either wrong or you critisie people of things and then show that you are a hypocryte by doing them aswell (as stated above).

Now you see thats argumentative.

Very little fact, mostly fiction.
You keep acusing me of being 'wrong', a very blunt, and confrontational way of saying something, yet, you fail to show much fact yourself. Past your own biasness.
Show me where ive contradicted myself. As to my knowledge, i havnt.
Also, show me where im being hypocritical.

Gerrard hasnt been named most valuable by Uefa to my knowledge, but he has been named in the team for last season. If you can provide evidence that says Uefa have said that hes MVP, then by all means do so. But i dont recall him ever getting an award like that.
Im not trying to look clever by namng Kaka's full name, i just know it. I know most of the full names for the Milan squad. Its called being a supporter. Sometimes supporters know facts about their teams that others consider pointless.
And your now using the same 'read' argument that you used on JohnnyG.

Laughable.

3 things for you to do there before i even consider posting back on the topic towards you.

Pigeon_Killer · 1 Mar 2006 at 16:33

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/SuperCup/news/Kind=1/newsId=329453.html

BoomAM · 1 Mar 2006 at 16:39

Pigeon_Killer said:
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/SuperCup/news/Kind=1/newsId=329453.html

Good find.

Now for the other two points to prove...
Which im not actually bothered about, so they can be answered if you want to. Im not too concerned though.

Pigeon_Killer · 1 Mar 2006 at 16:41

BoomAM said:
Good find.

Now for the other two points to prove...
Which im not actually bothered about, so they can be answered if you want to. Im not too concerned though.

Sorry. I'm not trying to get involved but I was sure Gerrard was voted MVP for something. I had to find it to put my own mind at rest.

BoomAM · 1 Mar 2006 at 16:42

Pigeon_Killer said:
Sorry. I'm not trying to get involved but I was sure Gerrard was voted MVP for something. I had to find it to put my own mind at rest.

np. Wasnt getting at you.

BaZ87 · 1 Mar 2006 at 16:54

BoomAM said:
Now you see thats argumentative.
Very little fact, mostly fiction.
You keep acusing me of being 'wrong', a very blunt, and confrontational way of saying something, yet, you fail to show much fact yourself. Past your own biasness.
Show me where ive contradicted myself. As to my knowledge, i havnt.
Also, show me where im being hypocritical.

Gerrard hasnt been named most valuable by Uefa to my knowledge, but he has been named in the team for last season. If you can provide evidence that says Uefa have said that hes MVP, then by all means do so. But i dont recall him ever getting an award like that.
Im not trying to look clever by namng Kaka's full name, i just know it. I know most of the full names for the Milan squad. Its called being a supporter. Sometimes supporters know facts about their teams that others consider pointless.
And your now using the same 'read' argument that you used on JohnnyG.
Laughable.

3 things for you to do there before i even consider posting back on the topic towards you.

You have critisised me for argueing and then admitted that you are argueing with me, does that make you a hypocrite? As for the contradiction you first said Milan never wanted Gerrard then said the would like him in there squad, that not contradiction?
You have accused me of saying things which i never said, that is why i said to read my posts then you will see. Pigeon Kill has just given a link for you to read which shows i am correct about Gerrard and that you are WRONG. Also i have no problem with you knowing Kaka's name, but did you really need to say it, when i mention Gerrard do i give you his full name (including his middle name)? Does JohnnyG give Lampards full name? No, the only reason you gave it was to look smart, but i suppose you needed to after making yourself look stupid with all your completely incorrect statements; i'll list them if you like?
1. Milan never wanted Gerrard - When Ancelotti said he would "love to sign him"
2. Juve don't/didn't want Gerrard - All in the Italian press over the last week is Juve after Gerrard.
3. Claiming i said Gerrard was name best midfielfer in europe and that kaka was - Your right Kaka was name best midfielder in europe, but i said gerrard was named most valuable player and i actually say kaka was voted best midfielder.
4. You said most of the players with awards from Uefa were in the CL final - only 2 out of the 5 players were from the final.
5. You claimed Gerrard never won any award from Uefa - That was the biggest mistake, surely if you knew about Kaka winning best midfielder you must have noticed Gerrard winning the main award.