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punky_munky said:
Curious statistic. Where do you think it comes from, given that no-one has this listed as a cause of death on their death certificate?
Vote on smoking ban in public places
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Curious statistic. Where do you think it comes from, given that no-one has this listed as a cause of death on their death certificate?
punky_munky said:
You do, I presume, have sources to back this statement up - and that doesn't answer my question.
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PeterNem said:
I merely wanted to point out that sometimes central government *has* to get involved in social policy for the greater good.
As for my analogy not holding up?
Do you think "encouraging" drink drivers to stop without any type of enforcement or penalization would have worked?
Seriously doubt it.
Drink driving still happens but I would suggest the threat of a driving ban or worse deters many that would otherwise be prone to it.
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As I mentioned earlier, smokers shouldn't worry too much, I'm sure their organised boycott of pubs and clubs will result in the trade industry successfully lobbying for the law to be repealed due to the negative effects on their business.
If non-smokers were supposed to use market forces to change the status quo, then it should be equally open to smokers to do so themselves. The status quo has changed and now smokers should be proactive if they want to be able to smoke in pubs & clubs.
If non-smokers were supposed to use market forces to change the status quo, then it should be equally open to smokers to do so themselves. The status quo has changed and now smokers should be proactive if they want to be able to smoke in pubs & clubs.
UOcUK Poopscoop said:Hey (sorry can't resist this).......
"If smokers want to go into pubs so much they will have to put up with the NON smoking, no one is forcing them to go in."
Irony indeed.
The diffrence is, it will now be against the law, where you and the other non smokers could, if they so wished. Set pubs up which are non smoking. Both sets could be easily catered for without legislation..
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I gave up some years ago but **** it! somebody roll me one....
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edit: link already posted above
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cleanbluesky said:
I believe that "in general" smoking is bad for your health?
I am sure you were aware of the tongue in cheek nature of that post though.
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UOcUK Poopscoop said:I believe that "in general" smoking is bad for your health?
I am sure you were aware of the tongue in cheek nature of that post though.
No, you suggested that smokers cannot march.
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Sleepy said:
Hardly - I feel I have a civil right for those around me to be civil and not make me smell like a bonfire, or reduce my life expectancy and destroy my vocal cords due to their actions
I triumph for civil liberties if you ask me, now bugger off you dirty sods, you're no worse than standing around jacking up smack, the only difference is the druggies have the decency to keep it intravenous and not go around sticking the needle in everyone elses arm
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AcidHell2 said:
Its not against the law for them to come into the pub.
They are *choosing* to be excluded from pubs if they so wish just as people who hate smoke may be forced to *choose* not to enter one currently.
Many people had to put up with that for years.
Now its the smokers' turn.
Smokers won't boycott pubs, they will just stand outside like the social pariahs they are until they have finished their fag and can rejoin civilised society. Non smokers had to put up with all that smoke for many years and so it is now smokers turn to put up with standing outside. What goes around comes around.
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cleanbluesky said:
Well, if you want to be pedantic........
Shall we see if they do march and let that decide the matter?
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noginn said:
I doubt it. On the Beeb there poll is showing that of 13,839 votes, 80% support a total ban.
I'm ecstatic about this ban and the only downside is that its not happening until next summer. Hopefully smokers will realise what a daft habit it is, stop fighting the tide of decent judgement and just flamin' well quit.
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I bet the boss of Niquitin's just put an order in for a few new Aston Martins
Frosti said:
Neither of the above links provides evidence, the closest the BBC article gets is:
BBC said:
Pleas note the word could.
As for the ASH link - if someone from those tobacco fascists told me it was raining I'd look out of the window to check.
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20% of people is a very significant number of people.
I wonder if people who smoke are also likely to be the types to buy more drink than non-smokers due to the nature of the person to become addicted to some kind of routine or habbit? If so it's certainly enough people that ignoring their wishes would be bad news for the hospitality industry.
This is much worse for smokers than the previous rules were for smokers. The fair way to do this would be that pubs have to be non-smoking by default, but that they can apply for a liscence to allow smoking on the understanding that all patrons will be able to see it's a smoking pub before entreing or something like that.
I wonder if people who smoke are also likely to be the types to buy more drink than non-smokers due to the nature of the person to become addicted to some kind of routine or habbit? If so it's certainly enough people that ignoring their wishes would be bad news for the hospitality industry.
This is much worse for smokers than the previous rules were for smokers. The fair way to do this would be that pubs have to be non-smoking by default, but that they can apply for a liscence to allow smoking on the understanding that all patrons will be able to see it's a smoking pub before entreing or something like that.
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10% support a partial ban...