Vote on smoking ban in public places

[Frosti]

Neither of the above links provides evidence, the closest the BBC article gets is:

Pleas note the word could.

As for the ASH link - if someone from those tobacco fascists told me it was raining I'd look out of the window to check.

Stan

You’re going to be hard pressed to find "proof" as you put it. But it doesn't take a genius to work out that if tobacco kills 50,000 people a year, the second hand smoke isn't going to be harmless is it?

I think the fact that there are much worse pollutants out there that are carcinogenic is a better argument than trying to say that second hand smoke is harmless.

 

[tb2000]

If a law in unpopular you would be suprised how quickly it can be reversed.

One of the Conservatives pledges if it returns to government is to repeal the fox hunt ban.

Debatable if that law is unpopular though.

Getting the smoking ban lifted will be extremely difficult though as most people will support it.


Governments are supposed to act for the majority after all.

I noticed this, and while I support the ban the only real reason Labour did it was to stick two fingers up to the Conservatives. On the other hand, it's good to see what will be most important to the Conservatives if they get back in But back to the original thread
I agree that the bans can get reversed but I can only see it happening if it's in the elected party's interest.

 

[PeterNem]

How many non smoking pubs did spoons have?

46 wasn't it?

47, with a firm committment to make all new pubs they open non-smoking, and to convert all existing pubs.

I don't think it have taken more than a year or two for other pubs to start to follow epecially if it was shown that a lot of people chose Wetherspoons over others because of the non-smoking environment.

 

[Supercow]

Ban the filth pigs, let them go stink up their own houses !
(ex-smokers are always the worst critics )

 

[UOcUK Poopscoop]

47, with a firm committment to make all new pubs they open non-smoking, and to convert all existing pubs.

I don't think it have taken more than a year or two for other pubs to start to follow epecially if it was shown that a lot of people chose Wetherspoons over others because of the non-smoking environment.

That scenario would have been good indeed.

Now they just have a little extra motivation.

 

[Glaucus]

Governments are supposed to act for the majority after all.

We are not talking about public places though, we are talking about private propertie, a landlord if tehy so wish can ban you for what ever reasons they see fit as its there land, there property. Why should you or *** goverment dictate what a person can or can't do on there own propertie (within reason

If the millions of non smokers in this country don't have the entrepreneurial skills to set up non smoking pubs then you shouldn't go to the pub..
Now im a non smoker, I also agree in public buildings smoking should be banned, but any sort of private property, factories, offices, clubs, pubs, restraunts it should be the owners choice.

 

[tb2000]

We are not talking about public places though, we are talking about private propertie, a landlord if tehy so wish can ban you for what ever reasons they see fit as its there land, there property. Why should you or *** goverment dictate what a person can or can't do on there own propertie (within reason

If the millions of non smokers in this country don't have the entrepreneurial skills to set up non smoking pubs then you shouldn't go to the pub..
Now im a non smoker, I also agree in public buildings smoking should be banned, but any sort of private property, factories, offices, clubs, pubs, restraunts it should be the owners choice.

Are pub, clubs, etc not deemed to be public places though, as they are frequented by the public themselves?

 

[Brum Man]

Now im a non smoker, I also agree in public buildings smoking should be banned, but any sort of private property, factories, offices, clubs, pubs, restraunts it should be the owners choice.

What constitutes a public place in you view, if not one that are not seen as meeting place for members of the 'public'?

 

[PeterNem]

What constitutes a public place in you view, if not one that are not seen as meeting place for members of the 'public'?

A place to which the public has free access.

In my opinion a pub or club does not fall under this as the owner can refuse access.

 

[UOcUK Poopscoop]

We are not talking about public places though, we are talking about private propertie, a landlord if tehy so wish can ban you for what ever reasons they see fit as its there land, there property. Why should you or *** goverment dictate what a person can or can't do on there own propertie (within reason

If the millions of non smokers in this country don't have the entrepreneurial skills to set up non smoking pubs then you shouldn't go to the pub..
Now im a non smoker, I also agree in public buildings smoking should be banned, but any sort of private property, factories, offices, clubs, pubs, restraunts it should be the owners choice.

Please, you make it sound like Government has no say what goes on in private property already.

Your phrase "in reason" says it all.

To many people a total ban on smoking is perfectly "reasonable".

As for us non smokers who object to smoke "not going to the pub".....could I respectfully suggest that any smokers who object to the harsh punishment of not being able to smoke for a couple of hours stay at home now instead??

 

[Chronos-X]

So can a library?

 

[Glaucus]

What constitutes a public place in you view, if not one that are not seen as meeting place for members of the 'public'?

goverment or council owned buildings. Pubs are privatley owned and *** landord can reject you, thus means it is not a public building, hospitals, librarys, schools, concil offices, a lot of sports centers (not all though) are public places.

So can a library?

no a library is a public building and so if the goverment wish can ban it.

 

[Rameses]

oh i agree with that. However, the 8bn in profits they net from smoking will have to be taken from somewhere else.....you. It seems to be a little short sighted for non smokers to say "yeah, ban the crap" without caring or at least worrying where the money will be taken from after it's banned.

I should think the money saved by the NHS will help cut that 8bn to something a lot less than that.

 

[UOcUK Poopscoop]

A place to which the public has free access.

In my opinion a pub or club does not fall under this as the owner can refuse access.

I believe the law also dictates that a Publican cannot serve alcohol to under age persons whether it is public/ private or whatever.

The precedent is set already in law.

 

[Brum Man]

A place to which the public has free access.

In my opinion a pub or club does not fall under this as the owner can refuse access.

Yes but you can be refused access to anywhere if you act in an inappropriate manner, whether it's owned privately or by the state.

Would you consider a town centre a public place? I know someone that was banned from the town center by the police, and therefore the government and it has free access, so by your reasoning a town centre is not a public place?

 

[Glaucus]

Thats it i give up, most of you are so set in your way, you can not see reason. Due to your lazyness you need a goverment to enforce things that don't need enforcing. Lets see what you say when they ban something you enjoy doing.

Anyway thats it, I have to go now before I get banned...

 

[UOcUK Poopscoop]

Thats it i give up, most of you are so set in your way, you can not see reason. Due to your lazyness you need a goverment to enforce things that don't need enforcing. Lets see what you say when they ban something you enjoy doing.

Anyway thats it, I have to go now before I get banned...

Why the anger?

P.S. Getting mad never wins an arguement.

As for "set in your ways"..........aren't you as guilty as I, for I didn't convince you either.......?

 

[MrMatteh]

And now smokers can boycott pubs and get the law changed.

Can't see either happening tbh though.

quoted for truth!

herein lies the argument; smokers saying we should have done x, y ,z.
But will they? no.

oh, and for the matter we have done x,y,z... got it banned didnt we?

 

[AJUK]

Thats it i give up, most of you are so set in your way, you can not see reason. Due to your lazyness you need a goverment to enforce things that don't need enforcing. Lets see what you say when they ban something you enjoy doing.

Anyway thats it, I have to go now before I get banned...

If what I enjoy doing harms others I will have no problem with it being banned. Smoking kills people who don't smoke, plain and simple. For once, the government and the MPs have done something that is not only right in principle but also good for the people they serve.

 

[UOcUK Poopscoop]

If what I enjoy doing harms others I will have no problem with it being banned. Smoking kills people who don't smoke, plain and simple. For once, the government and the MPs have done something that is not only right in principle but also good for the people they serve.

Quoted because what you say is true.

Our Government has actually done the right thing for once!