Vote on smoking ban in public places

[UOcUK Poopscoop]

Neither of the above links provides evidence, the closest the BBC article gets is:

Pleas note the word could.

As for the ASH link - if someone from those tobacco fascists told me it was raining I'd look out of the window to check.

Stan

Ah, so we should just carry on regardless until it is prov-en for certain in your eyes?

Do you seriously believe breathing in secondhand smoke is beneficial to a persons health?

I am not even sure if there are is a single constituent in cigarette smoke that *isn't* damaging in one way or another. Let alone all together.

 

[Glaucus]

Many people had to put up with that for years.

Now its the smokers' turn.

you still dont get it do you, you didn't have to put up with it for years, you could have got pub chains or single pubs to ban smoking, thus you could go to the pub in a smoke free enviroment. If theres enough demand (you do have to voice your opinions) then pub some pub managers would ban smoking to get non - smoking punters into there pub, thus making a tidy profit... There was and is no need for legislation..

 

[Sleepy]

Hardly - I feel I have a civil right for those around me to be civil and not make me smell like a bonfire, or reduce my life expectancy and destroy my vocal cords due to their actions

I triumph for civil liberties if you ask me, now bugger off you dirty sods, you're no worse than standing around jacking up smack, the only difference is the druggies have the decency to keep it intravenous and not go around sticking the needle in everyone elses arm

My property, my buisness, my choice what my customers are allowed to do. This is an unnecessary law to restrict peoples freedoms. Witherspoons have shown that you can choose to ban smoking from your buisness and still succeed.

If you did not want to smell like a bonfire then you should have chosen to go elsewhere or be with people who didn't smoke around you.

FWIW I don't smoke

 

[UOcUK Poopscoop]

you still dont get it do you, you didn't have to put up with it for years, you could have got pub chains or single pubs to ban smoking, thus you could go to the pub in a smoke free enviroment. If theres enough demand (you do have to voice your opinions) then pub some pub managers would ban smoking to get non - smoking punters into there pub, thus making a tidy profit... There was and is no need for legislation..

There are no non smoking pubs near me.

Now there will be.

So in my, and I would say the majorities eyes, there was a need for legislation.

 

[Glaucus]

There are no non smoking pubs near me.

Now there will be.

So in my and I would say the majorities eyes there was a need for legislation.

why wasn't there any non smoking pubs, if theres demand some one will plug the hole, weatherspoons did, with there sucsesful results others would have soon followed..

 

[cheets64]

I think we need to look at how much smoke is in a club and pub at peak times, if your stood next to 3 people smoking it can be very off putting, the smoke in your face, going down your throat into your lungs and on your clothes, cigarette smoke lingers unless there is really powerfull A/C in the pub/club.

I personally think it will make for a better atmosphere in pubs and clubs.

 

[Rich_L]

why wasn't there any non smoking pubs, if theres demand some one will plug the hole, weatherspoons did, with there sucsesful results others would have soon followed..

And now smokers can boycott pubs and get the law changed.

Can't see either happening tbh though.

 

[UOcUK Poopscoop]

why wasn't there any non smoking pubs, if theres demand some one will plug the hole, weatherspoons did, with there sucsesful results others would have soon followed..

How many non smoking pubs did spoons have?

46 wasn't it?

It would have taken an age for the industry to get its act together.

Now it has a year.

Perhaps the demand will be filled for smokers by various "speak easy's" opening throughout the country.

 

[Tru]

I'd be more inclined to listen to the non-smokers bleatings were they not conveyed in such an obnoxious manner. Seriously, can you people not put your point across without being a complete spanner about it?

 

[Vanilla]

It looks like a bit of a shambles.

This is labour doing their 'we know we should do something to try and win voters so lets vote about banning smoking and if people shout we'll change our bill until they stop shouting'.

 

[singist]

There are no non smoking pubs near me.

Now there will be.

So in my, and I would say the majorities eyes, there was a need for legislation.

no, just a lack of entrepreneurial zeal .....




The only pub/bar I frequent is non smoking/music/bandit etc ..... opened about 2 yrs ago... making a fortune.

 

[UOcUK Poopscoop]

I'd be more inclined to listen to the non-smokers bleatings were they not conveyed in such an obnoxious manner. Seriously, can you people not put your point across without being a complete spanner about it?

Would you be referring to me in part?

 

[Glaucus]

And now smokers can boycott pubs and get the law changed.

Can't see either happening tbh though.

No they can't wonce a law is set it's nearly imposible to reverse it..

 

[Jotun]

Define 'inconsiderate'... should smokers ask you if they wish to smoke? If you come along while someone is smoking, should they ask your permission?

Do you not have any habits that you wouldn't like legislated against?

I believe smoking around people who have asthma is pretty inconsiderate, if I'm in a pub with my friends and they want to smoke, why can't they just get up and go to the bar for a smoke? Why should I have to go outside? Also there's the fact that my hair smells of smoke for about 3 or 4 washes afterwards which isn't pleasnt either. Also note that I can't get up and go the bar since there's already smokers there.

Whilst I could tolerate smoking if people were more considerate, and didn't blow smoke in my face all the time, the fact is, nobody around me ever does, so if they're going to be inconvinienced, good. If there was just a smoking corner or something, I'd be happy since I wouldn't have to tolerate other people's smoke in my face. Granted it'd smell still, but nowhere near as bad as someone less than a foot away. A complete ban is slightly better to me, although I believe smokers should still be accomodated, I certainly won't be complaining or standing up for their rights.

Also I appreciate that this is unlikely to be the case for how everyone acts everywhere, but everywhere around me is like this, and these places will hopefully improve once the new legislation comes in.

I can't think of any habbits I have that could be legislated against either, I don't have any real habbits in the first place.

 

[Chronos-X]

It looks like a bit of a shambles.

This is labour doing their 'we know we should do something to try and win voters so lets vote about banning smoking and if people shout we'll change our bill until they stop shouting'.

If your stereotypical labour heartland voter is someone in a council house with a full ashtray lying on top of a copy of the Sun then I doubt they'd have seen it that way : this is a positive bit of legislation that is good news for everyone and great news for some. Now go and have a wash you scabby lot.

 

[UOcUK Poopscoop]

No they can't wonce a law is set it's nearly imposible to reverse it..

If a law in unpopular you would be suprised how quickly it can be reversed.

One of the Conservatives pledges if it returns to government is to repeal the fox hunt ban.

Debatable if that law is unpopular though.

Getting the smoking ban lifted will be extremely difficult though as most people will support it.


Governments are supposed to act for the majority after all.

 

[Tru]

Would you be referring to me in part?

There have been several posts since the start of the thread, from various people, that I've wanted to respond to directly but they've been so damn disrespectful I've had to bite my tongue (or my fingernails or whatever the hell the typing equivalent is).

 

[Vanilla]

Obviously brilliant news for all us non-smokers, and bad for the smokers. Wonder if there will be any protests to this.

It's not always about smokers vs non-smokers. I'm a non-smoker and I think this is a disaster for rights. A landlord or owner should dictate such policy on their premises.

I've found Labour sticking their faces into every crevace making government as big as possible. Telling schools what they can serve and when, when they can have vending machines and where and now what landlords can allow on private property.

 

[UOcUK Poopscoop]

There have been several posts since the start of the thread, from various people, that I've wanted to respond to directly but they've been so damn disrespectful I've had to bite my tongue (or my fingernails or whatever the hell the typing equivalent is).

I think I have read every post in this thread and not seen a disrespectful or obnoxious post made by anyone?

I am sure both sides of this argument are not so thin skinned to take this debate to heart are they?

 

[Brum Man]

People seem to think that all smokers will hate this ban, however I have heard, and know a lot of smokers that welcome the ban as it give them more of chance to give up.

How many of you on here have smoked and tried/have given up? Well I've done the latter and know that going to the pub is about the only place where I really felt the need to smoke, when I had a drink in my hand. Not being able to smoke and actually having to go out and make the effort to so for me at the time would have been a great help to my giving up cause, and I think that it will help a lot of people out there at the moment that are currently trying to actually give up.

Everyone on here seems to think that smokers want to smoke, and have no ambition to give up. What a load of rubbish, about 80% (made up fugure!), of smokers that I know want to give up and are aware of the damage that they are doing to themselves and others. Many smokers tend to start when they are young (again, going off the people that I know that smoke) and by the time they actually care enough to want to give up are already hooked. I think this ban will be a swinging factor for a lot of people wanting to give up to finally give them the helping push.

And people are aware that its not just pubs aren't they, cafe etc are also included. Wouldn't you like to be able to know that what ever retaurant that you go to is going to be no smoking and you don't have the risk of having your main course ruined by a smoker next to you? and don't say no smoking sections as they simmply don't work as the smell still mingles around the builing, and most restaurants aren't even big enough to make this a viable option.

The same is true of a partial ban, it just isnt workable. So do you do nothing or go the whole hog?