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Makes a change for the government to do anything for the people they serve, rather than doing it for themselves and their careers.AJUK said:
Vote on smoking ban in public places
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UOcUK Poopscoop said:Why the anger?
Cos I get more sense out of a brick wall.
UOcUK Poopscoop said:
nope thats why this will be my last post...
UOcUK Poopscoop said:
No, I am not a smoker, I have looked at the situation by both sides..
(we are talking soley about pub/clubs not other banned places)
1) pubs/clubs are priavtley owned
2) you do not have a constitutional right to go there, unlike public building eg librarys
3) lack or entrepreneurial skills by the millions off non smokers meens they havent set up a chain of pubs that suit there needs.
4) due to there lack of entrepreneurial skills or pure lazziness they had to go to the goverment to get a legal practise (ie smoking) banned from a private property.
Now wheres the argument for banning smoking in pubs?
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So why aren't you running a non-smoking pub and making your fortune? Lack of entreprenurial skills?
MrMatteh said:
How can you possibly know in advance what smokers will do in answer to this legislation?
MrMatteh said:oh, and for the matter we have done x,y,z... got it banned didnt we?
You got it banned, did you? Did you personally lobby government to force this ban?
Stan
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This is about social change rather than which chav has his name above some scruffy pub door. The fact is if a large percentage of people smoke, that percentage will have a prescence in virtually any pub (there's always one, and one is more than enough) - therefore if smoking is wrong (it is) the only way around it is a ban, rather than segregation. If I limited my friends to those who dont smoke and went to non smoking venues my social sphere would diminish rapidly - hence we need change at the grass roots for the good of everyone, regardless of what the fat bloke behind the bar says.
PAC2006 said:
Yeah they'll just spend it on clearing up the victims of alcohol abuse, drink driving, counselling drunks, drink related disease and drink related domestic and street violence.
Sounds nasty stuff perhaps it should be banned from all public places for sake of the health of our children ?
just a hunchBigstan said:How can you possibly know in advance what smokers will do in answer to this legislation?
You got it banned, did you? Did you personally lobby government to force this ban?
Stan
i don't know.I personally didnt get it banned, but non-smokers in general (which i was refering to) did
Also, they banned smoking in Ireland. They kicked up a bit of a fuss; but just adapted to it. people now go outside and smoke - the pubs have heaters/bevvie holders.
I don't recall seeing reports of a massive deficit caused by less cigarettes being sold either
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Im so unbelieably pleased this is finally through, i may at last be able to kick this damn addiction, i know his will help me and all of my smoking friends finally give up for good. All my friends who smoke all want to give up this band will help them no end.
This is the third year i have given up for January and as soon as i step in a smokey environment the withdrawls come flooding back and i crack and before i know im back to square one.
This is the third year i have given up for January and as soon as i step in a smokey environment the withdrawls come flooding back and i crack and before i know im back to square one.
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AcidHell2 said:
Brickwall, yes, I concur.
1) Yes they are. But they are not outside the law.
2) Yes, but they are not outside the law.
3) Lack of willpower by some smokers or pure laziness on their part to give up has lead the Government to have to intervene for the good of the whole.
4) See 3.
Where is the argument for banning smoking in pubs?
Right here.
P.S. Thought you had gone?
UOcUK Poopscoop said:
Chronos-X said:
Chronos-X said:
I realise this guy is trolling, which is why I never responded but I have quoted him to make the point that there have been obnoxious and or disrespectful posts made.
Stan
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AcidHell2 said:I had but I got a sensible question out of someone, but then you go and mess it up again...
PS. thats a brilliant argument, lets ban living because that is not out side the law either
Living doesn't harm anyone though and when it does (murder?) it comes under the law.
Welcome back (again?) and thanks for the rolleyes.
In this case the law has created a 'us and them situation' . Throw in a drink fuelled situation and ............. I'm sure it will all calm down in time.
Personally, I now mainly entertain at home due to the gangs of drunken morons making our town centres a no go area, so I really don't mind either way.
Personally, I now mainly entertain at home due to the gangs of drunken morons making our town centres a no go area, so I really don't mind either way.
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I agree with the ban, but must agree with Stan here.Bigstan said:I realise this guy is trolling, which is why I never responded but I have quoted him to make the point that there have been obnoxious and or disrespectful posts made.
Stan
Hey, what's wrong with the Sun?
I predict maybe a number of pubs and clubs closing over a period of years, not a drastic amount, but enough to hurt. Of course after a few weeks people will have a thousand figures showing how business is up...and this will be correct. Business will be up in the remaining pubs because a lot of their competition has closed down!
This was the case in America but i've yet to see anything regarding closures in Ireland, a much better match for the UK with regards to 'What's going to happen'.
In a day and age where people are constantly lacking self responsibility and turning to the courts to sue for trivial matters (we see them posted here every week) people need to understand that they make the choices to enter a pub. An employee makes the choice to work at a bar. Take responsibility.
Now the same government that has delved into what food schools can serve, how many vending machines schools can have, how many patients your local hospital needs to treat per day in order to be 'successful' are delving into the rights of owners of private property based on public moral concern and highly limited research data. These kinds of things should be managed on the local level, by people who are on site, not by the government because these kinds of issues and targets do not apply to everyone. Some pubs have gone non-smoking, others have remained smoking but the tide was changing (quite rapidy given our history) over time.
Some people would argue that this is their job, I would argue that this is none of their business.
It's quite upsetting that people straight away say 'yay I don't have to smell of smoke my lungs hurt will someone call me a waaaaaaaaaaaambulance?'
The bill is being brought in to protect the bar workers who are often young, work long hours and have no say in the running of the business. People see only as far as themselves for the most part but i'm not bothered about that, i'm bothered that almost no one sees the personal loss in terms of civil rights when it comes to themselves. We've lost more than we've gained.
This is all hidden under a veil of concern for health in a day and age when they've even linked 'that new car smell' to cancer.
This was the case in America but i've yet to see anything regarding closures in Ireland, a much better match for the UK with regards to 'What's going to happen'.
In a day and age where people are constantly lacking self responsibility and turning to the courts to sue for trivial matters (we see them posted here every week) people need to understand that they make the choices to enter a pub. An employee makes the choice to work at a bar. Take responsibility.
Now the same government that has delved into what food schools can serve, how many vending machines schools can have, how many patients your local hospital needs to treat per day in order to be 'successful' are delving into the rights of owners of private property based on public moral concern and highly limited research data. These kinds of things should be managed on the local level, by people who are on site, not by the government because these kinds of issues and targets do not apply to everyone. Some pubs have gone non-smoking, others have remained smoking but the tide was changing (quite rapidy given our history) over time.
Some people would argue that this is their job, I would argue that this is none of their business.
It's quite upsetting that people straight away say 'yay I don't have to smell of smoke my lungs hurt will someone call me a waaaaaaaaaaaambulance?'
The bill is being brought in to protect the bar workers who are often young, work long hours and have no say in the running of the business. People see only as far as themselves for the most part but i'm not bothered about that, i'm bothered that almost no one sees the personal loss in terms of civil rights when it comes to themselves. We've lost more than we've gained.
This is all hidden under a veil of concern for health in a day and age when they've even linked 'that new car smell' to cancer.
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tb2000 said:I agree with the ban, but must agree with Stan here.
Hey, what's wrong with the Sun?
Thank you
Nothing wrong with the Sun (as long as you're not bothered about news) - there's not much better than a cup of tea, a fag and a look at page three
Stan
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Bigstan said:I realise this guy is trolling, which is why I never responded but I have quoted him to make the point that there have been obnoxious and or disrespectful posts made.
Stan
I stand corrected, the second quote you posted is indeed harsh.
As for Trolling?
I am standing by and defending my views, is that different to anyone else here?
I do not give up my morals easily, do you?
I assume not as you took the time to search the thread for the above quotes and your opinions remain unchanged also.
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1) It IS a triumph for civil liberties
2) Dirty; smokers are physically dirty - the dirt resides in their clothes, hair, skin and teeth.
3) Drug use is drug use full stop, again as I say the heroin users keep it to themselves yet this is deemed less socially acceptable (and no I'm not sticking up for it) - passive smoking is someone akin to going around urinating on people in terms of respect.
1) This is referring to the stereotypical working class Labour voter that I feel most people will know or identify with - and yes, a good deal of them do smoke, but this was besides my point that this is not a vote winner.
2) I concede that some smokers may not have scabs, especially haemophiliacs.
Not trolling sir, merely expressing my opinion and stating the cold, hard facts
Normal service resumes!