Want to appeal a Yellow Box PCN

Janesy B

Janesy B

Janesy B

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My Dad got a PCN from Brent for allegedly stopping in a yellow box. I have requested the video (still haven't got it after 24+ hours) but my Dad insists that the traffic began to move and the car in front hesitated, but he was clear of the box junction within a couple of seconds of slowing down at the exit. Hardly a fair penalty.

Here is the PCN:

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I want to dispute it for the following reasons.
  • The location of the alleged contravention is incorrect. PCN states Neald Crescent when in fact it is Neeld Crescent - confirmed by OS.

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  • The first photograph does not have the registration of the vehicle.
  • There are just 7 seconds between the photo of the vehicle waiting at the edge of the junction and the car passing through the end of the box junction. There is no proof that the vehicle was actually stopped in the box junction.
Not to mention the fact the box junction has broken lines and is a general poor state of repair, and £130 fine is totally bloody disproportionate to the offence.
 
I know, as if a quiet residential road really has enough traffic problems to warrant a yellow box to let traffic though.
 
It's poorly worded but I thought the offence was to enter the box before your exit is clear, stopping or not stopping is somewhat irrelevant.
 
Sure I read a story about this sort of thing recently, stopping in the box for even a split second is enough to get fined! Crazy.
 
A) the road name being misspelt won't make any difference to the case.
B) you say that the yellow box is in a bad state of repair but the photo shows it can be clearly identified as one.

However I do agree with you that sending you two photographs of the vehicle, one in a prohibited stopping area, and one not is hardly proof that it was stopped in a prohibited place. If they wanted to prove the offence, they should have sent a photograph of your dad in the box, then another one 10 seconds later in the exact same place.

Whilst you shouldn't enter a box junction unless it's clear the otherside, the fact remains that there is no proof that your dad's car was stationary in the junction.
 
Uther said:
Sure I read a story about this sort of thing recently, stopping in the box for even a split second is enough to get fined! Crazy.
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Not stopping at all is enough to get fined if the exit isn't clear when you enter it as far as I know.

Like 99% of drivers, I've driven through in the flow of traffic but do so knowing I'd be stuffed if it's camera covered and someone wanted to be picky.
 
It is an offence to enter the boxed area if your exit isn't clear, therefore your father committed an offence by entering the boxed area when his exit wasn't clear.
 
Might be unpopular but I love these boxes.
People seem to want to be somewhere 30 seconds quicker so bad that they constantly go through way into red (lights) and (separately) totally block junctions just because it will save them 30 seconds whilst it makes 15 other cars going the other direction all have to wait.
Red light cameras and these boxes should be praised.

Now in this example. Did he enter the box before the exit was clear? Very simple question. No ifs, no buts. The answer is yes or no?
If no, then appeal away.

"You may enter a yellow box junction when your exit is clear and there is enough space on the other side of the junction for your vehicle to clear the box completely without stopping"
 
Gaygle said:
. If they wanted to prove the offence, they should have sent a photograph of your dad in the box, then another one 10 seconds later in the exact same place.

Whilst you shouldn't enter a box junction unless it's clear the otherside, the fact remains that there is no proof that your dad's car was stationary in the junction.
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If they wanted to prove an offence, what they really needed was a photo between the two shown, with the car in the box and the exit visibly not clear. He doesn't need to have stopped, it just happens that he did.
 
You could be unlucky and have to stop due to somebody crossing the road, do you still have to pay if that's the case. As a side note I wish roundabouts had the same rules, traffic would flow much better.
 
Surely the photos don't prove you stopped, would require two photos of the car in the same position a few seconds apart, that just shows you drove through it and braked near the end.
I do wait for a space to appear on the other side before i go through them, very frustrating when you get other people pushing in.
 
Those still photos are rubbish, they show nothing to prove what they claim. Also throughly check the notice and the procedure they followed for anything which doesn't meet the guidelines to the letter. If they got anything wrong, even silly stuff, it has to be canceled.

A lot of these traffic enforcement contractors are cowboys and not very organised. When you start making things difficult they often screw up.
 
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The road name defence may well work. I once appealed and won a parking ticket because they said my car was parked in avenue park road, when in fact it was parked on avenue road. I simply said that no such restrictions existed on the road they'd named and they gave in straight away.
 
geekman said:
The road name defence may well work. I once appealed and won a parking ticket because they said my car was parked in avenue park road, when in fact it was parked on avenue road. I simply said that no such restrictions existed on the road they'd named and they gave in straight away.
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Yep that's what I mean about checking EVERY technicality :)
 
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