War with Iran

[TW]Fox · 16 Apr 2012 at 19:16

ennogs said:
In the China video they OPENLY say China will help defend Iran EVEN if that means starting World War 3.

I didnt realise it said it in a video.

Well, thats that then, given how Youtube Videos are known for the clear direction they give on Chinese foreign policy.

trigger-happy · 16 Apr 2012 at 19:16

Israel isnt going to attack Iran, it will be the most stupidest thing they ever do, Iran isnt like Iraq, they will hit hard and fast.

also

I like my Persian rugs thanks.

int · 16 Apr 2012 at 19:29

e36Adz said:
I know the easy thing to do is just join the crowd and resent and mock anything to do with religion and feel secure knowing the majority share your view but the same majority have failed to grasp the basics. You need to address why? When I suggested Israel would launch a war in the Middle East years ago after we begin to see uprisings in the Middle East with leaders being overthrown, I was ridiculed because there was 'no proof'. Now we seem to be hearing about it on an almost daily basis and it can no longer be called a conspiracy theory as it's becoming more and more obvious they are just looking for any excuse. When it actually happens I suspect you will sweep it all under the carpet and continue blindly wandering to and fro.

Are you implying, suggesting or stating that Israel had a hand in each one of the middle eastern uprisings? Any credible links for this? Perhaps Israel owns Facebook through which the uprisings were partially stimulated?

RDM · 16 Apr 2012 at 19:30

e36Adz said:
I don't mean 'literally' take over the World in the sense they will control Russia, more as in they will take the position that the USA has held. Someone correct me if I am wrong but when the USA took over from Great Britain all those years ago, did the dollar not replace the stirling pound as the main world currency? I think history will repeat itself, and something new will replace the dollar which will be based in Israel.

The difference being that the US was economically and militarily more powerful than the UK. Israel is not economically or militarily more powerful than the US. In world rankings of both they come quite some way down the list.

Israel cannot take over from the US, it just doesnt have the economic, military or political strength to do so. Explain how they can do it and you might have something to go on, but so far you have not given any idea just how a minor power such as Israel can make it to major power status when they have neither the military or economic might to do so.

ennogs · 16 Apr 2012 at 19:38

[TW]Fox;21697742 said:
I didnt realise it said it in a video.

Well, thats that then, given how Youtube Videos are known for the clear direction they give on Chinese foreign policy.

It was a professor from the Chinese National Defense University who openly said China would help defend Iran even if that means starting World War 3. It wasn't some guy in his bedroom with a tin foil hat on who said it.

I don't think this professor is willy waving.

[TW]Fox · 16 Apr 2012 at 19:44

Defend Iran from what? If Israel did anything they'd do what they did in Syria and Iraq - they have form for this sort of thing. In, bang, out. No war - just a surgical strike. There wouldn't be anything else to defend against once China knew.

They are not going to roll in with a bunch of tanks and 'invade'.

Amp34 · 16 Apr 2012 at 19:56

e36Adz said:
I don't mean 'literally' take over the World in the sense they will control Russia, more as in they will take the position that the USA has held. Someone correct me if I am wrong but when the USA took over from Great Britain all those years ago, did the dollar not replace the stirling pound as the main world currency? I think history will repeat itself, and something new will replace the dollar which will be based in Israel.

You do realise the change from UK to US was gradual and over about 50 years right?

ennogs · 16 Apr 2012 at 20:11

e36Adz said:
I don't mean 'literally' take over the World in the sense they will control Russia, more as in they will take the position that the USA has held. Someone correct me if I am wrong but when the USA took over from Great Britain all those years ago, did the dollar not replace the stirling pound as the main world currency? I think history will repeat itself, and something new will replace the dollar which will be based in Israel.

The new American currency was chosen years ago. The USA, Canada and Mexico are set to merge into a Union. Like our European one. The currency they are going to use is called the Amero.

CaptainRAVE · 16 Apr 2012 at 20:13

Glaucus said:
In short, the padded White van is coming very soon.

Plans are always drawn up we and every other country will have 10s of thousands of plans and contingencies drawn up for pretty much everything.
Just political posturing.

Even zombie outbreaks

[TW]Fox · 16 Apr 2012 at 20:19

ennogs said:
The new American currency was chosen years ago. The USA, Canada and Mexico are set to merge into a Union. Like our European one. The currency they are going to use is called the Amero.

What possible benefit to the USA or Canada is there of forming a Union with Mexico? They found NAFTA irritating enough!

Woden · 16 Apr 2012 at 20:22

ennogs said:
It was a professor from the Chinese National Defense University who openly said China would help defend Iran even if that means starting World War 3. It wasn't some guy in his bedroom with a tin foil hat on who said it.

I don't think this professor is willy waving.

Politics is 99% willy waving, *especially* when its international. Just look at what's happening between the Falklands and Argentina, its all hot air.

ethan · 16 Apr 2012 at 20:35

I have often thought about this and wondered why there isn't a computer game for it?

Anyway, does anybody think it likely that Israel, if forced to go it alone, would not only strike from the air but place (suicidal) troops on the ground (in the actual bases) to get the job done? Personally I can't see any other way for it to be done properly?

[TW]Fox · 16 Apr 2012 at 20:45

ethan said:
I have often thought about this and wondered why there isn't a computer game for it?

Anyway, does anybody think it likely that Israel, if forced to go it alone, would not only strike from the air but place (suicidal) troops on the ground (in the actual bases) to get the job done? Personally I can't see any other way for it to be done properly?

They didn't use troops in Iraq or Syria? They've done the Nuclear facility strike thing before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orchard

Ironically even Iran had a go at attacking Iraq's nuclear facilities..

Nutella33 · 16 Apr 2012 at 20:50

[TW]Fox;21698255 said:
What possible benefit to the USA or Canada is there of forming a Union with Mexico? They found NAFTA irritating enough!

its a old paranoia of theorists. despite the idea being acknowledged by its creator as impossible as "no-one wants it". theorists then got all excited when a trinket maker made some amero coins about 5 years ago as collectables, theorists then claimed it came from the US Mint.

You do realise the change from UK to US was gradual and over about 50 years right?

and was based on the massive expansion of resources and manpower that isreal is incapable of.

ethan · 16 Apr 2012 at 20:50

[TW]Fox;21698506 said:
They didn't use troops in Iraq or Syria? They've done the Nuclear facility strike thing before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orchard

Ironically even Iran had a go at attacking Iraq's nuclear facilities..

Lol yeah. Just wondering if an air strike alone would simply amount to nothing more than a futile gesture unless of course the strike was low yield nuclear.

Vespasian777 · 16 Apr 2012 at 21:12

chilipeppersc said:
erm, no WE cannot control anything? With what, peaceful protests? Get over it.

WE as people have no moral power. Whilst WE are subjected to the proposal that we elect therefore we control, this is simply not true. Many times a large number of people have protest peacefully, yet organisations and corporations have deteriorated the peaceful protest into branded labels.

If the government decides on something you dont agree with, what will you do? If they give you an excuse to make a moral judgement of ''DEFENCE'' you will select that path, just like the whole terrorism sham. I have no power, YOU have no power, WE have no power. The only terrorists are those that are worth more money than countries and even continents combined.

You can extend this to AID in Africa for example, money does not go to these people in Africa, the money goes into buying things like water mechanics, setting up businesses, food...but who owns the businesses from which you buy these AID products???? The large corperations, and why? Because they can price them as they wish and its a multi-billion $,£,E industry.

You cannot tell me seriously that a democracy exists whereby the people obtain any sort of moral or influential power, I mean seriously?

Why do you think we are still burning things to generate power and not using new technologies? Can you imagine if you invented an energy source that rivals Oil and is completely sustainable? Eliminate a multi-billion dollar industry? You would be forced to sell up or be killed, and you would have no power, just like the poor man of today.

We went to war with Iraq for no moral reason, we went to war with Afghanistan for no moral reason, a 3rd tower after the 9/11 attacks was destroyed/demolished for no moral reason, we allow mass killings, poverty, suffering, disease, hunger and mass waste to continue....for no moral reason.

Tell me its not all about money and those who control everything around us. The media, the governments, the education, the way we live, what we eat, think and believe.

Tesco is worth more than Greece, tell me now that its worth all of the suffering, and I will believe you that we have this so called power.

/End of rant

You should have kept going. You were doing really well.

e36Adz · 16 Apr 2012 at 23:11

RDM said:
The difference being that the US was economically and militarily more powerful than the UK. Israel is not economically or militarily more powerful than the US. In world rankings of both they come quite some way down the list.

I agree on all accounts. Just imagine for a second though if Israel has secret military technology which is superior to even Americas. We do not know what hidden military technology is out there. Let's be honest, anything America owns, Israel does since it is the same people who control both nations, so they are at least equivalent to the US in terms of military technology. Remember Ariel Sharons comment 'we own America'. Economically, we will see how superior America is once MI targets are hit, and we will see how it affects the dollar.

RDM said:
Israel cannot take over from the US, it just doesnt have the economic, military or political strength to do so. Explain how they can do it and you might have something to go on, but so far you have not given any idea just how a minor power such as Israel can make it to major power status when they have neither the military or economic might to do so.

With all the US military bases situated around the Middle East, all US weapons at hand for Israel if required, and the fact that manpower isn't as important in this day and age as it once in warfare, I do believe it is possible.

Amp34 said:
You do realise the change from UK to US was gradual and over about 50 years right?

I previously thought the transition was over a period of around 20 years with key events throughout but I will take your word for it. But it highlights something important, and that is it doesn't happen overnight. I do believe 2012 will see a key event in this on-going process, of which 9/11 was the start, and of which I have simply given the end result ie. Israel replacing the US.

ennogs said:
The new American currency was chosen years ago. The USA, Canada and Mexico are set to merge into a Union. Like our European one. The currency they are going to use is called the Amero.

I have heard about the Amero and remember reading about it years ago, and it's one step closer to having a one world currency but I still believe Israel must have the ruling currency or todays equivalent of the US dollar in order to be universally recognised when that time comes.

It would not surprise me if Israel became a kingdom, this is looking many many years ahead, so that they have a King rather then a Prime Minister.

nineteenforty4 · 16 Apr 2012 at 23:32

we have the ability to atomise the world - there is no evil "muhahahaa" superweapons that would allow hollywood world domination.

Your a tool

[TW]Fox · 16 Apr 2012 at 23:32

Your obsession with a country as small as Israel is simply bizarre. Regardless of what you may think of them and the motives they have they are a small nation of just 7 million people. They will never be able to dominate anything in the way a nation of many, many times more people will.

It is far more likely to be China who hold the world currency than Israel!

e36Adz · 17 Apr 2012 at 00:29

Actually, Britain and America are obsessed with Israel, not me. I do not dispute that what I have suggested seems very unlikely, only time will tell though.