Wayne Rooney: Has he lived up to the hype

Weebull said:
That's funny, because I seem to remember Fabregas managing pretty well when he used to play with Henry.
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Except Henry went out and did his left wing thing, also if you'd noticed, he's not a 1/4 of the player he was 4 years ago, in his most "freerole" days it was really before the time of Fabregas when we had a bit of a missing player there, Vieira who was no where near his best and gilberto, two players who didn't go forwards much. Rooney isn't particularly good out on the wing and influences play from the centre.

G|mp said:
I was going to reply but Gilly answered the question perfectly well

He's not a striker and he's not an attacking midfielder, he's a forward

Drunkenfool should stick to masturbating over Eboue
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yes, I think Eboue is better than the very very poor Denilson and possibly the least talented player we've ever had in Song(seriously, why would you risk it after rigobert song, two utter moron's). Wait I think he's better than two of the worst players in the league which somehow automatically means I think he's the best in the league.............

I love people who post on forums, clear and logical thought, who don't misinterpret your words for their own means.



As someone said, Rooney was simply a better player 2 years ago when he ran at defenders. THere is simply no need for him to drop deeper and there are plenty of games where you see someone ready to put a throughball in and theres no one to pass it too. You drop deep to get the ball when your midfield can't win it or pass, neither are a problem at Man U. He just looked a more dangerous and more threatening player before. As you'll over react to what people say again, I'm NOT saying he's bad. I'm simply saying he'd be better at either role if he stuck to it rather than mixing the two. If he wants to be the playmaker, be the play maker, Scholes won't be around much longer anyway.
 
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Forward/Striker meh, same thing. Interpret it however you like, you're either a goalkeeper, defender, midfielder or striker. Yes there are variations of the position but above all he's still a striker.
 
I think that he is as good a player as he was expected to be, but playing in a considerably different role. 5 years ago, he looked like being the next top centre forward. Now he is a top second striker/"new" Scholes. He is very good at what he does, it just isn't what people thought that he would do.
 
Anders0n said:
Forward/Striker meh, same thing. Interpret it however you like, you're either a goalkeeper, defender, midfielder or striker. Yes there are variations of the position but above all he's still a striker.
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A forward does forward play, a striker, strikes.
Rooney is a forward. Van Nistelrooy is a striker.
Eto'o is a forward. Shearer was a striker.

Total difference between them.

There are more positions in football now:

Keepers
Sweepers
Center-Backs
Wing Backs
Left/Right Backs
Holding Midfielders
Wingers
Central Midfielders
Attacking Midfielders
Forwards
Strikers
 
drunkenmaster said:
He just looked a more dangerous and more threatening player before.
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He may have looked it. Doesn't mean he was better.

He was a rawer talent back then. He didn't know as well as he does now when he had to release the ball, when he had to drop off, when he had to find a space becaus the ball was coming. He knew how to get goals and how to hit the ball cleanly, he knew how to carry the ball.

Now he knows how to be effective in the team he plays for. Something it is clear he has picked up from Scholes - who is reportedly the best player by far in training.

Anders0n said:
Forward/Striker meh, same thing.
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No it isn't.

That's like saying DMC and AMF are the same position just because they both have midfield in.
 
mr tommo said:
Talk about best footballers in the world and no mention of Kaka?
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Speaking of Kaka, anyone see his cracking goal against Lazio? Here's a link:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=W_OVKHZ36p8&feature=related

Can any other player strike a ball as well as Kaka? Have always admired his faultless technique, he is one of the most graceful football players in the world, makes everything look so effortlessly easy.

On the subject of Rooney, one thing I have noticed is that he has become more self-less, but sometimes I wish he would just shoot, he hasn't scored quite the same caliber of goals as he did a few seasons ago. Remember all those cracking goals, such as the one against Newcastle, two against Middlesborough, against Pompey, all those vs Fenerbahce. I know he still scores nice goals, such as the recent link-ups with Ronaldo against Bolton and Blackburn, but he isn't scoring the 'omg!!' absolute screamers he used to.

He needs to shoot more!
 
nicktay2605 said:
Can any other player strike a ball as well as Kaka? Have always admired his faultless technique
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Yes, many players hit the ball as well or better than Kaka. Hell, Kaka doesn't even have the best striking technique at Milan, for me that honour most definitely goes to Clarence Seedorf, one of the finest midfielders to grace Europe over the last 10 years.

Scholes also has to be up there, shame he doesn't have the pace to get that extra yard to get a chance to shoot anymore :(.
 
NokkonWud said:
Kaka doesn't even have the best striking technique at Milan, for me that honour most definitely goes to Clarence Seedorf, one of the finest midfielders to grace Europe over the last 10 years.
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Pirlo, that man can't half ping a ball

Anyway back on topic this thread isn't about who's the best in the world or who strikes a ball better
 
The official United site is not rubbish! It often has decent news before anybody else does, plus it is good for people who don't have MUTV, and the Megastore is great. Some of the articles with the players are interesting too.
 
No, of course not.

However, before anyone jumps on me, how could he live up to the hype? It was ridiculous and typical of the English media when a player with any ounce of talent comes along. Walcott is suffering the same.

Rooney is a very good player. Not quite world class but good enough to help England win things if he can keep his head, which I still have doubts about.
 
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NokkonWud said:
He's a good player, but I wouldn't say he's the best player at United and certainly not by some margin. At least not until he picks up some element of consistency.

I would say our most important and consistent player is Rio Ferdinand who was literally faultless last season (and should be our Captain), then Ronaldo because we've seen our team without him at the start of this season and it's not good, then Carrick who is the General of our midfield (massive miss), then Rooney and Tevez who can both do the same job.
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He IS the best player at united, Carrick may well be the best midfielder (he is) and Rio is the best defender (absolutely) however, for all round ability, impact, effect on the results and the team, Rooney is head and shoulders above anyone else.

Tevez doesnt do what wayne does, Tevez is fantastic, but he lacks Rooneys passing ability and awareness.
 
Gilly said:
No it isn't.

That's like saying DMC and AMF are the same position just because they both have midfield in.
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They are variations of the Midfield position. Any player than plays in either posistion can be called a Midfielder.

NokkonWud said:
I wouldn't pay much attention to the official Man Utd site. It's rubbish and it's also aimed at an International audience.
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Regardless, he's still a striker.

It may seem like I'm being a pedant here, but I'm right.
 
Oh and Rooney's clearly a forward not a striker I meant to add! :p

(Damn sly posting from work :p)

Who would you call a forward then and why?
 
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