We are lucky about the price of the PS3.

ElRazur said:
^^^ Wait till "one of them" comes and tell you how ms does next-gen. Dont want a blu-ray and what not.
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I find the best way not to be seen as a massive Fanboy is to show a more balanced view, and not make statements like that ;)

Whats the 60gb HDD used for?
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For downloading Demo's, Part installing some slow loading games, storing music/media etc..

Personally, i own a 20gig version and i dont see the need for a bigger drive. Then, that is my view and am sure other will prefer a bigger drive.
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I agree, 20Gb is ample, you do find people arguing that 60gB is essential, but they only cite 'media' storage as the reason, and quite frankly as someone who has adopted the whole storing all my films/tv eps/music digitally, at 1.5tb and climbing, 60Gb isn't even a drop in the ocean!!..
 
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Demon said:
I find the best way not to be seen as a massive Fanboy is to show a more balanced view, and not make statements like that ;)..
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Their problem not mine. I have said before that i shyed away from the stance of a fanboy but every now and then people from the "other side" cant help but make one say things that sounds like one is a fanboy.
 
ElRazur said:
It has a keyboard...so dont rule it out. Seriously, you knew what i was saying - Stop playing around. :D
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haha.
I just don't see the point in having a HDD on a games console 360 included.
Its like they are trying to turn it into a PC.
 
stevechapman said:
haha.
I just don't see the point in having a HDD on a games console 360 included.
Its like they are trying to turn it into a PC.
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But that what games console will become - A superp gaming pc! It is needed for all the things attached with new frontiers of gaming - download, internet, online play, demos etc.
 
ElRazur said:
So if you claim you know right, what you are saying is what works for ms should work for Sony? I want even playing any game with you. I asked you a genuine question but i guess you still aint answering them due to you having no answer right?

Im a fanboy..? Im not justifying anything - My Sweat, my hard work, my money and my choice. dont have to justify anything. This line of debate is predictable, once people cant see your views or agree, i guess one automatically becomes a fanboy.
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If Microsoft can create and release a next gen system a year ago for a decent price, then Sony are definitely capable of doing it now, a year later. Nice of you to completely skirt around my post because you dont want to answer it, its not about any of those conditions you asked about its about price point in the first place (regardless of country)!

And you're definitely a fan boy, whether you like it or not. Not because i dont agree with you, but because you back the ps3 regardless and then try and find information to back you up and will defend it to the point of retardedness, everyone knows you're a ps3/sony fanboy, so dont try to hide it.
 
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Burned_Alive said:
Yeah, if i wont play your game i have no answer. I know perfectly well about all those conditions, but regardless of any market conditions £425 is still a ridiculous price and at that point everything else becomes irrelevant, Microsoft managed to put their next gen system out a year ago for £125 less, Sony should have got somewhere a lot closer to that.

You're just a sony fanboy trying to justify the price any way possible.
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no, your just Anti sony with an agenda, and inability to view the relative value for money positions as offered by each of the consoles. ill try to surmise for you;

console pricing is set with a number of factors, cost, market bearing price, industry trends, etc.

the sony ps3 has a high cost (BOM) as is inherant with the technology. therefore it has a higher than average sell price. However it conforms to industry trends of selling hardware at a loss. reducing the percieved Value for money gap.

This is similar as seen with the PS1, XBOX, and XBOX360.

the nintendo Wii however, deserves a lot more attention here. i believe that nintendo are selling at a price which is HIGHER than the cost price, (or BOM), which does not conform the the industry norm, and nintendo are descriminating to an even higher level by pricing the Wii proportionately higher in the UK than in the US, or JPN compared to BOth the xbox360, and the PS3.

so when you consider the market and the industry you can see that sony, and indeed MS are actually offering more VFM in terms of the ratio of cost to sell price, when compared to nintendo's offering.

yet its strange how we dont see a raft of threads regarding the wii's pricing, (and its peripherals) with featureset as compared to both the capabilities of the XBox360 and PS3...

and yes MS did put out a console 12 months earlier for £125 less... but you do get less for your money with the xbox360, and also recieve a less reliable system (it seems) which may be a negative...
 
Burned_Alive said:
If Microsoft can create and release a next gen system a year ago for a decent price, then Sony are definitely capable of doing it now, a year later. Nice of you to completely skirt around my post because you dont want to answer it, its not about any of those conditions you asked about its about price point in the first place (regardless of country)!.
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I cant belive this. You are accusing me of what i accused you off!! Well done not. Ms and Sony are using a different approach. Sony is pushing the frotiers in an area that hasnt been done before - i.e CELL Chip while it isnt so for ms (as in their deisigned is based around existing chips i belive). The time, R&D, investment into both consoles are different. Sure ms might have been here a year before sony but it still isnt a reason for Sony to sell their product at around the same price. Does a 360 comes with a bluray player? No it dosent (im not saying it should) but then you can see how the prices might start to differ.

Now back to the original question i asked you, Markets, Currency, manufacturing cost etc are all taken into account before a price can be put on a product in a partiular territory. Anyone into economics or manufacturing will tell you this. Ask yourself how come we pay more for vehicles here than those from same european country? Do you think it is rip off from the manufacturer then? Or just the things i explained above? Another example of how price aint fixed by manufacturer - Petrol! Why do we pay more? do you think it is because oil producers put price up? Find the answers to that and you will know the answers to the questions i asked you.

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And you're definitely a fan boy, whether you like it or not. Not because i dont agree with you, but because you back the ps3 regardless and then try and find information to back you up and will defend it to the point of retardedness, everyone knows you're a ps3/sony fanboy, so dont try to hide it.
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What is it I mentioned in my debate with you that makes me a fan boy? Could this be down to the fact that you have a "jump on the band wagon mentality and let's call El a fanboy because everyone else does?" Or it is more to do with you making a post which i countered and you couldnt even provide answers to and dodge my quesitons?...I actually think it is both!
I dont back the Ps3 regardless but if you wanna stick to your guns....fine by me. I suppose i can use your logic and say this forum hates the ps3 no matter what too?
I dont hide anything, no reason too. If you seriously can answer those questions i asked you all along then i will be impressed, but for now...Please try again.

Oh here is a little quote for you on why prices might be different from country to country...Guess who was defending their product this time?......No it aint sony but that geek.

Prices for the OS in the UK range from about £100 for an upgrade version of the Basic package to £249 for a copy of the upgrade to the Ultimate version of Vista.

In the US prices start from $100 (£52) for an upgrade of Vista Home basic to $249 (£127) for the equivalent Ultimate version.

Mr Gates defended Microsoft's pricing plans: "We try to keep our prices largely inline from country to country... but by price you do generally get some things that get a bit out of alignment as currencies go up and down.
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Sorry your arguement falls apart infront of the person you consider is a retard. :)
 
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no, your just Anti sony with an agenda, and inability to view the relative value for money positions as offered by each of the consoles
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Yes, im so anti sony that i bought both of their previous consoles and a psp.

What does ps3 REALLY give me for the £125 extra? Blueray? I dont want it, whats my other option? Oh, i dont have one, i refuse to pay all that extra money to support Sonys chosen format in a HD race that it may not win. If they truely wanted to push blueray they should've absorbed all the costs involved in adding that to the system rather than pushing the price off on the consumer to try and force bluerays position in the marketplace.

What happens if i pay all that money and blueray bombs? Sony arent willing to fund it completely because they know theres a strong chance of that happening and subsequently they're hoping the consumer will absorb the cost should it die.

The wii offers TRUE differentiation for its price and is way below the standard console price, even if the technology isnt so advanced.
 
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If they truely wanted to push blueray they should've absorbed all the costs involved in adding that to the system rather than pushing the price off on the consumer to try and force bluerays position in the marketplace..
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You really dont have a clue or do you? You really expect manufacturers to absorb the cost? I wonder if you will same the same if you own shares in sony.



Burned_Alive said:
What happens if i pay all that money and blueray bombs? Sony arent willing to fund it completely because they know theres a strong chance of that happening and subsequently they're hoping the consumer will absorb the cost should it die.

The wii offers TRUE differentiation for its price and is way below the standard console price, even if the technology isnt so advanced.
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So? People take chances, And why should they refund you? Again your knowledge is leaving me mouth wide opened.

Again wii was based on existing technologies which is cheap to make and yes the trade off is the poor games and not next gen at all.
 
ElRazur said:
I cant belive this. You are accusing me of what i accused you off!! Well done not. Ms and Sony are using a different approach. Sony is pushing the frotiers in an area that hasnt been done before - i.e CELL Chip while it isnt so for ms (as in their deisigned is based around existing chips i belive). The time, R&D, investment into both consoles are different. Sure ms might have been here a year before sony but it still isnt a reason for Sony to sell their product at around the same price. Does a 360 comes with a bluray player? No it dosent (im not saying it should) but then you can see how the prices might start to differ.

Now back to the original question i asked you, Markets, Currency, manufacturing cost etc are all taken into account before a price can be put on a product in a partiular territory. Anyone into economics or manufacturing will tell you this. Ask yourself how come we pay more for vehicles here than those from same european country? Do you think it is rip off from the manufacturer then? Or just the things i explained above? Another example of how price aint fixed by manufacturer - Petrol! Why do we pay more? do you think it is because oil producers put price up? Find the answers to that and you will know the answers to the questions i asked you.



What is it I mentioned in my debate with you that makes me a fan boy? Could this be down to the fact that you have a "jump on the band wagon mentality and let's call El a fanboy because everyone else does?" Or it is more to do with you making a post which i countered and you couldnt even provide answers to and dodge my quesitons?...I actually think it is both!
I dont back the Ps3 regardless but if you wanna stick to your guns....fine by me. I suppose i can use your logic and say this forum hates the ps3 no matter what too?
I dont hide anything, no reason too. If you seriously can answer those questions i asked you all along then i will be impressed, but for now...Please try again.

Oh here is a little quote for you on why prices might be different from country to country...Guess who was defending their product this time?......No it aint sony but that geek.



Sorry your arguement falls apart infront of the person you consider is a retard. :)
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Congratulations on conpletely missing the entire point, to put it simply the PS3s price point (REGARDLESS OF COUNTRY) is too high, stop referring back to the uk and trying to give examples, this is irrelevant as are your previous questions which is why they remain unanswered.

I call you a fan boy, because you clearly are. Your arguements have no balance at all and the people in this forum can clearly see this. This is why you think the forum is against you and the ps3.
 
Burned_Alive said:
What happens if i pay all that money and blueray bombs? Sony arent willing to fund it completely because they know theres a strong chance of that happening and subsequently they're hoping the consumer will absorb the cost should it die.

The wii offers TRUE differentiation for its price and is way below the standard console price, even if the technology isnt so advanced.
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Blu-Ray . check.
60GB HDD. CHeck.
both add value and meaningful functionality worth in excess of the £125 price difference.

what if you pay the price for a 360 and it bombs? are MS willing to refund every blown 360? there is a strong chance of it happening, but they seem to be hoping the consumer will absorb the cost, (or purchase an extended warranty...)

So... the price is low.. does it make it good value for money? (hint the answer is that FVM is subjective...)
 
ElRazur said:
You really dont have a clue or do you? You really expect manufacturers to absorb the cost? I wonder if you will same the same if you own shares in sony.

So? People take chances, And why should they refund you? Again your knowledge is leaving me mouth wide opened.

Again wii was based on existing technologies which is cheap to make and yes the trade off is the poor games and not next gen at all.
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If a manufacturer chooses to force an unproven technology on the consumer then yes they should absorb the cost. If they're not willing to, then maybe they shouldnt be using that technology.

You might be willing to take a chance, but the PS3s poor sales in america and hesitation in this country have shown that the majority of people arent willing to take that chance.

Wii may have been based on current technology but as i say, the system as a whole is a revolution, hence the huge takeup of it around the world.
 
imo the wii is ripping off consumers more than any other console. Nintendo are making money off each wii console sold. Yet people fail to see this, yes good for nintendo business but considering microsoft and sony are losing on each console sold this is unacceptable lol.

Gamecube with a fancy novelty controller that will wear off. Good job nintendo.
 
Burned_Alive said:
Congratulations on conpletely missing the entire point, to put it simply the PS3s price point (REGARDLESS OF COUNTRY) is too high, stop referring back to the uk and trying to give examples, this is irrelevant as are your previous questions which is why they remain unanswered.

I call you a fan boy, because you clearly are. Your arguements have no balance at all and the people in this forum can clearly see this. This is why you think the forum is against you and the ps3.
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The price of the ps3 is high? Yes for some maybe it is, hell for me it is but i had the money and bought one. I aint missing the point, more like you delibrately not wanting to see the point. How can you justify the high price you are shouting without making taking into consideration some of the things i have mentioned and tried to address or even asked you :confused: ? So you expect them to give it away for free? Man you are either ignorant or knowingly ignorant.

Im a fan boy? - How many more times you gonna call me this? I dont know if you havent realised but your a complete anti-sony person who views are best ignored perhaps? Do i think the forum is against me? No! Do i think the forum hates ps3...Oh yes. Again when you can answer those questions which are relevant to the discussion, then i will carry on with you...until then have a nice day.
 
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