We are lucky about the price of the PS3.

ElRazur said:
The price of the ps3 is high? Yes for some maybe it is, hell for me it is but i had the money and bought one. I aint missing the point, more like you delibrately not wanting to see the point. How can you justify the high price you are shouting without making taking into consideration some of the things i have mentioned and tried to address or even asked you :confused: ? So you expect them to give it away for free? Man you are either ignorant or knowingly ignorant.

Im a fan boy? - How many more times you gonna call me this? I dont know if you havent realised but your a complete anti-sony person who views are best ignored perhaps? Do i think the forum is against me? No! Do i think the forum hates ps3...Oh yes. Again when you can answer those questions which are relevant to the discussion, then i will carry on with you...until then have a nice day.
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If you cant see that the questions you asked ARENT relevant to my point, then yes its best you dont reply again.
 
Burned_Alive said:
If a manufacturer chooses to force an unproven technology on the consumer then yes they should absorb the cost. If they're not willing to, then maybe they shouldnt be using that technology..
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My last post perhaps until you start saying something meaniful.

BluRay is a proven technology (at least in the lab and to some extent in certain applications too), im sure it is being backed by major distributors. I suppose you are asking if it will have mass appeal to be a proven technology?....Again, it has more backing than you can shake a stick at. Your logic of getting manufacturer to absorb the initial cost is flawed. NickG already exaplined that

Burned_Alive said:
You might be willing to take a chance, but the PS3s poor sales in america and hesitation in this country have shown that the majority of people arent willing to take that chance.

Wii may have been based on current technology but as i say, the system as a whole is a revolution, hence the huge takeup of it around the world.
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Let's not count your chickens man....not yet. Slow sales is not an indication of the end of sony. Things will pick up once the worldwide lauch is finshed. Pateince my friend and you can cook a stone. I didnt take a chance on the ps3, i bought one because i want one....It is different from taking a chance.

Revolution? Gwad i cant be bothered argueing...but remember that motion sensors has been around before the wii.
 
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badgermonkey said:
The PC does more too :p
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like what ?

and for less than 425 quid ?

in 2 years the 425 quid pc will be redundant for playing the latest games :( or maybe just broke and with no warranty because you built it yourself :(
 
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Nickg said:
Blu-Ray . check.
60GB HDD. CHeck.
both add value and meaningful functionality worth in excess of the £125 price difference.

what if you pay the price for a 360 and it bombs? are MS willing to refund every blown 360? there is a strong chance of it happening, but they seem to be hoping the consumer will absorb the cost, (or purchase an extended warranty...)

So... the price is low.. does it make it good value for money? (hint the answer is that FVM is subjective...)
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But, i dont want a 60gb hard drive or blue-ray, i want a next gen games console at a reasonable price without being forced to adopt a media format along the way. You can just skip over this, because this is the major sticking factor for me and many others.

The 360 is already established unlike either hd format, so i think its safe to say it isnt going to bomb.

With the price of the 360 dropping and the options it provides i think it'd be hard to say it wasnt value for money, particularly with the core available.

As you say, VFM is subjective, so some people may find £425 acceptable to pay, particularly if they are indeed looking to buy a blu-ray player but i suspect they're in the minority. But regardless of VFM, for many the price point is too high, i was considering a ps3 way back when before prices were announced, but im simply not willing to spend £425 on one (Baring in mind real spend would be more like £500-600 with games, etc), particularly when more than 1/4 of that cost may be killed off in one feel swoop. Its obvious from sales in the USA and reactions in the uk that many other people feel the same way.
 
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Burned_Alive said:
But, i dont want a 60gb hard drive or blue-ray, i want a next gen games console at a reasonable price without being forced to adopt a ions in the uk that many other people feel the same way.
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well buy or keep your 360

allot of people do want those things because its future proofing

sadly sony dont care about casual gamers anymore (unless they want an old ps2)
 
This forcing people to adopt new technology debate is where I back Sony 100%.
Yes I'm getting Blu Ray that I've not asked for but that's got to be a good thing right?
If a decent console is worth £300 then I'm getting Blu Ray for £125. If I were selling Blu Ray players at that amount everyone here would be snatching my hand off to get one.
Further what will happen in a few years when PS3 & 360 launch the 1st Blu Ray/HD-DVD title? The PS3 owners will be fine with there console that was paid for a long time ago. 360 owners will be forced into the should I spend another £100 or so in order to play a game on a system that is x No. of years old!
Also if HD-DVD does become the dominant format it's much cheaper to buy a dedicated HD-DVD player than a Blu Ray. The difference is much greater than 360 v Ps3.
I'm of the opinion that there is a bit of a band wagon here. People are knocking the PS3 cos they can.
Isn't it possible for both the hardcore & casual gamer to appreciate all next generation consoles & their differences. Freeedom of speech is great but to hear the same PS3 bashing over & over again is plain dull!

Before anyone starts with the Fan Boy routine I do have a 360, will be getting a Wii in the not too distant & I will also be looking to get PS3.
 
how many 10,11,12,13 year old kids give a stuff about Blu-ray, all their interested in is playing the latest games on their 14" portable TV's in their bedroom and because of this the 360 is the best option price wise for a current gen system or they can buy a wii for that different style of gameplay.

This to me is where Sony is missing the market this time round as they will never ever be able to price match the 360 or wii and it will take along time for the average gamer to even be considering buying a PS3 with all these other options available after the hardcore 16+ year olds buy their ps3 and this is what i feel is happening with the market in USA and Japan i fear with stock plenty but not shifting and even being discounted in Japan below RRP
 
badgermonkey said:
For once, you could actually build a gaming PC (obviously not the most amazing one) for the price of the console. The PC does more too :p
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Id like to see you try and get anywhere near a full gaming pc (even without the display) for the price.

£65 CPU (3800 X2 AM2)
£17 AM2 CPU cooler (possibly cheaper ones but that was first under 20 I saw)
£40 Mobo (AM2 Asrock)
£77 Ram (1GB DDR2)
£72 7600GS
£30 hdd 80GB SATA
£20 dvd writer
£30 mouse and keyboard
£70 PSU+ Case (Akasa seem to be cheapest by a quick look)

incl of Vat approx £421

Seems a reasonable spec, would certainly work (without OS of course but lets say you have a free linux distribution) , dont think I have missed anything vital - but cant really compare it in any way to a PS3....but it does beat the PS3 in one regard (it can write cd's /dvd's lol)
 
How many of us had the original PSOne for £300 all those years ago? All things being equal I don't think £125 is too bad an increase.
Of course I wish it was cheaper but the games market isn't specifically for your average teenager anymore. The old school gaming crowd is immense & they've been gaming since the ZX Spectrum, Amiga & then all the resulting consoles & PC efforts. It's those gamers who the market supports as these people are now out at work and supporting their own hobbies & that of their childrens thus maintaining this multi billion dollar industry.
 
Burned_Alive said:
Its obvious from sales in the USA and reactions in the uk that many other people feel the same way.
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Keep to the facts please - you dont have any clue (like the rest of us) what the reaction to the PS3 will be like on release in the UK

By all means look at it from a games -centric point of view, but thats pretty limited, there are many multiples of people who are interested in films more than in games (without even counting 60% + of the female population), Im not saying all of these will necessarily be interested in the PS3 but there is a fair chance they will have more interest in this than in any type of X360 (being predominantly a gaming machine)
 
FrankJH said:
but it does beat the PS3 in one regard (it can write cd's /dvd's lol)
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oh poo

i really didnt think about that : :( and my plan is too replace my ageing slow pc with a ps3 and upgraded hdd in the summer

im praying that a usb writer would have linux drivers ? :/
 
Including a blueray player with the PS3 would have been a brilliant idea if blueray was the only format for HD movies. Unfortunately there is no assurance to buyers that blueray will win the HD format race and therefore they cannot justify paying an extra £150+ for a console which may, or may not be a great value HD format player.

Of course most of this is irrelevant becuase 90% of people looking to buy a next gen console dont give a toss about being able to play HD formats, all they want is a game console for a reasonable price.

So really Sony have tried to appeal to a wider audience by including a HD format player in their console, but those people wont want a HD format player until they know which format will be successful, and people who want a games console will just look at the price, laugh, and then buy a 360/wii.


Also to those who are saying wii is a rip off because Nintendo are making a profit :p :p :p You just have to laugh at those people and wonder how their head works. Wii is by far the cheapest console and offers something new which no other console has done before.
 
It isn't possible to decide on which HD format without exposing it to the masses.
With your comments in mind Microsoft are guilty of the same thiing when they tout the HD-DVD drive for £130 ish.

My biggest gripe with 360 & a comparison that's overlooked is the fact that I have to spend £60 on a Wifi adaptor. If £60 is a reasonable price for Wifi then let's theoretically knock £60 off the PS3 cost & factor in a bit more seeing as it's buillt in so no unsightly wires for a wirelss solution!??!

So PS3 at £365 (if we have theoretically knocked £60 off for the Wifi adaptor) that Blu Ray player gamble is getting better by the minute.
 
I forgot to mention play & charge kits, bluetooth & card readers to give me like for like functionality - so that's even more money towards my Blu Ray player!

By my reckoning this PS3 is actually working out cheaper than a 360 that's up to the same spec.

I appreciate the arguement for "I just want a games machine" but we have to compare like for like before we condemn the pricing.
 
curtisbradshaw said:
It isn't possible to decide on which HD format without exposing it to the masses.
With your comments in mind Microsoft are guilty of the same thiing when they tout the HD-DVD drive for £130 ish.

My biggest gripe with 360 & a comparison that's overlooked is the fact that I have to spend £60 on a Wifi adaptor. If £60 is a reasonable price for Wifi then let's theoretically knock £60 off the PS3 cost & factor in a bit more seeing as it's buillt in so no unsightly wires for a wirelss solution!??!

So PS3 at £365 (if we have theoretically knocked £60 off for the Wifi adaptor) that Blu Ray player gamble is getting better by the minute.
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Although MS do charge way too much for their wifi adaptor (should be around £20 rather than £60-70), its another case of the majority of people do not want/need a wifi adaptor.

I for one have 2 PCs in my house and I have a wireless adaptor for one of them to connect to my network, but I in fact use a wire instead because
1. I find that wifi is very slow when transferring data
2. It is often not as reliable as using a wire and
3. I don't find that using a wire causes me any problems.
 
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