We are lucky about the price of the PS3.

[curtisbradshaw]

I agree Wifi isn't perfect but I for one do need wireless connectivity as my equipment is in different rooms. I woudn't hear the end of it if I were to be runiing cables here there & everywhere... Maybe I'm not in the majority?

 

["andy"]

there is no assurance to buyers that blueray will win the HD format race

true it was a BIG big risk. it looks to be paying off tthough

apart from universal all the film company's that where HD dvd exclusive have moved over to do blu ray aswell

so far the blu ray exclusives have stayed blu ray exclusive ,i admit this could always change though

. Wii is by far the cheapest console and offers something new which no other console has done before.

lol before someone else says it .... eyetoy

the majority said the eye toy was just stupid , who wants to simulate washing windows, playing keepy uppy etc.

can say the same about sports and fishing but for some reason they dont

both the wii and eyetoy are very fun though and i see them as the future of gaming because graphics can only get so much better

for example rockstars tabble tennis but with the wii remote... could be amazing

 

[wedgie]

My original question stands.

Here goes then...

The PS3 is too expensive for the simple reason that the market it is aimed it is not the kind that would pay upwards of £400 for a games console. It may actually be worth the £400, or in the case of the PS3 more, but it is still too expensive for the people that it is aimed at (a point which is being proven in the US given that you have been able to walk into stores and buy straight off the shelf almost since it was released)

In relative terms, the percentage of gamers who will buy it as soon as it comes out at whatever cost, makes only a small amount of the total number of gamers. The real money is made from the consoles and games sold to people who buy them to play a couple of times a week, the kind of people who might even wait for a price drop before buying and certainly wouldn't pay anywhere near £400 for it at launch.

It's the equivalent of building a Ferrari and then trying to sell it to housewives. Sure, it may be worth the £100,000 asking price, but it's way too expensive for the people it is aimed at to afford.

 

[XPE]

imo the wii is ripping off consumers more than any other console. Nintendo are making money off each wii console sold. Yet people fail to see this, yes good for nintendo business but considering microsoft and sony are losing on each console sold this is unacceptable lol.

Maybe people feel the console is worth the money where as people clearly feel the ps3 isn’t worth the money even at a reduced price.


Remembers its a business not a charity sony are in there to make money as well.

 

[KNiVES]

The bottom line is, if people are paying 425 pounds for a PS3 (like I have preordered), then it is worth it to them. Nobody else can dictate otherwise, this isn't an Orwellian society we live in you know.

 

["andy"]

the ps1 was 300 quid over ten years ago and it literally did JUST play games

we all know how succesful it was even though it cost allot of money

 

[Phemo]

What happens if i pay all that money and blueray bombs? Sony arent willing to fund it completely because they know theres a strong chance of that happening and subsequently they're hoping the consumer will absorb the cost should it die.

I own a PS3 and I don't really give a toss about Blu-ray personally. It could bomb for all I care but that's probably because I have no intention of ever buying a Blu-ray or HD-DVD movie.

At the end of the day, the PS3 is still really designed to be a gaming machine, no matter what all the multimedia crap tacked onto it implies. If Blu-ray bombs as a movie format, it'll still be the format that PS3 games are delivered on.

Regardless, it will offer advantages further down the line due to having 50GB of available capacity. I don't reckon the 360 will have problems, but it will come to a point where Blu-ray does have an advantage.

Nobody needs to accuse me of being a fanboy either since I actually own both systems. I don't really play on my PS3 anymore, admittedly, but I'm not ditching it yet.

 

[deSade]

For once, you could actually build a gaming PC (obviously not the most amazing one) for the price of the console. The PC does more too

One of the dumbest posts ever.

 

[.one.]

I think it should be twice the price i love sony and they love me

 

[Edz]

Here goes then...

The PS3 is too expensive for the simple reason that the market it is aimed it is not the kind that would pay upwards of £400 for a games console. It may actually be worth the £400, or in the case of the PS3 more, but it is still too expensive for the people that it is aimed at (a point which is being proven in the US given that you have been able to walk into stores and buy straight off the shelf almost since it was released)

In relative terms, the percentage of gamers who will buy it as soon as it comes out at whatever cost, makes only a small amount of the total number of gamers. The real money is made from the consoles and games sold to people who buy them to play a couple of times a week, the kind of people who might even wait for a price drop before buying and certainly wouldn't pay anywhere near £400 for it at launch.

It's the equivalent of building a Ferrari and then trying to sell it to housewives. Sure, it may be worth the £100,000 asking price, but it's way too expensive for the people it is aimed at to afford.

Spot on!!

Also as a parent try and imagine your children wanting something that you cannot give them My daughter would love a PS3 but I cannot afford to buy one for her, yet I would love to. She doesn't need or want anything else apart from the games machine side of it, so yes £425 is too expensive in my oppinion.

I hate Sony for making mine like a lot of other parents lives a misery...

 

[deSade]

Here goes then...

The PS3 is too expensive for the simple reason that the market it is aimed it is not the kind that would pay upwards of £400 for a games console. It may actually be worth the £400, or in the case of the PS3 more, but it is still too expensive for the people that it is aimed at (a point which is being proven in the US given that you have been able to walk into stores and buy straight off the shelf almost since it was released)

In relative terms, the percentage of gamers who will buy it as soon as it comes out at whatever cost, makes only a small amount of the total number of gamers. The real money is made from the consoles and games sold to people who buy them to play a couple of times a week, the kind of people who might even wait for a price drop before buying and certainly wouldn't pay anywhere near £400 for it at launch.

It's the equivalent of building a Ferrari and then trying to sell it to housewives. Sure, it may be worth the £100,000 asking price, but it's way too expensive for the people it is aimed at to afford.

Shouldn't we just wait and see?

 

["andy"]

Shouldn't we just wait and see?

no way wedgie is far more expierienced in making business predictions than one of the worlds leading technology companys

 

[barnettgs]

Shouldn't we just wait and see?

Much cheaper PS3 are sitting on shelf rather than sold out quickly in richer country called US

With UK, being a pressure pot with all the crazy mortgages etc...can't wait.

 

[wedgie]

Shouldn't we just wait and see?

We don't need to wait and see, it's already out in the US and Japan and it's being proven there by poor sales.

no way wedgie is far more expierienced in making business predictions than one of the worlds leading technology companys

Sarcasm detected.

If you think Sony hasn't made ridiculous claims about its consoles then you are foolish.

Just so you know, the leading technology company you are talking about released the Betamax which failed miserably, the Minidisc which failed miserably and the UMD which is well on the road to failure. They were great business predictions weren't they.

If you think Sony is going to make more negative comments for itself than it absolutely has to then again, you are foolish.

The number of comments i've heard saying the PS3 is too expensive far outweighs those saying the price is about right. You shouldn't need much more evidence than the people who are buying it saying it is to dear to conclude just that.

I will say this, I hope the PS3 is successful in the end and I believe it will be, but it has some lost ground to make up and so far it hasn't made a good start.

 

[FrankJH]

We don't need to wait and see, it's already out in the US and Japan and it's being proven there by poor sales.

Sarcasm detected.

If you think Sony hasn't made ridiculous claims about its consoles then you are foolish.

Just so you know, the leading technology company you are talking about released the Betamax which failed miserably, the Minidisc which failed miserably and the UMD which is well on the road to failure. They were great business predictions weren't they.

If you think Sony is going to make more negative comments for itself than it absolutely has to then again, you are foolish.

The number of comments i've heard saying the PS3 is too expensive far outweighs those saying the price is about right. You shouldn't need much more evidence than the people who are buying it saying it is to dear to conclude just that.

I will say this, I hope the PS3 is successful in the end and I believe it will be, but it has some lost ground to make up and so far it hasn't made a good start.

Betamax didnt fail actually it was used for decades by professional camera crews all around the world in studios and in remote filming - I dont really see that as a "failure"

You of course forgot about CD conveniently..... of course that was a failure too wasnt it!!!

Not to mention the fact that Sony developed a lot of things like the walkman (albe it not a new format per se, it was still an original idea ) and techniques to improve CRT tv's etc (the same idea that Philips called PixelPlus, but was out first to buy on a Sony product) the first consumer hidef video camera, professional quality cybershot still cameras

PS the majority of people who are going to buy any product arent going to be purchasing it in the initial first few months - this MIGHT be an indicator but thats about it.

Yes a TV or something has a lifetime of about 6 months to a year before a newer model is released, but consoles have to last five years or so - a few months on sale isnt any large proportion of the sales figures.

 

[wedgie]

Betamax didnt fail actually it was used for decades by professional camera crews all around the world in studios and in remote filming - I dont really see that as a "failure"

If Betamax isn't the perfect example of failure I don't know what is. The Minidisc is still used quite a lot (I think it deserved to succeed) but you can't say that wasn't a failure. Camera crews using the Betamax doesn't equate to commercial success now does it.

You of course forgot about CD conveniently..... of course that was a failure too wasnt it!!!

You're going to have to explain to me why I would need to mention the CD when listing a few of Sonys failed ventures.

Did I say they never got anything right?

They reinvented the whole video game market and almost single handedly made it what it is today, but that doesn't mean they haven't made mistakes in the past or wont in the future, which was the incinuation made by andy8271.

PS the majority of people who are going to buy any product arent going to be purchasing it in the initial first few months - this MIGHT be an indicator but thats about it.

Yes a TV or something has a lifetime of about 6 months to a year before a newer model is released, but consoles have to last five years or so - a few months on sale isnt any large proportion of the sales figures.

No **** Sherlock.

And here's me thinking most of the 100m or so PS2s were all bought back in 2000. Boy am I glad you put me right there.

I will say this, I hope the PS3 is successful in the end and I believe it will be, but it has some lost ground to make up and so far it hasn't made a good start.

I guess you didn't even bother to read that part of my post.

 

[ElRazur]

Here goes then....

You are beating round the bush and STILL not answering my question. You said this

Its still a rip off, even if other countries are paying more.

and then i asked you

How? They make the vats and the forces of demand and supply or prices for manufacturing it for the uk market?

Yet you wouldnt answer my question instead post a series of answers for a question i didnt asked and the one i want you to you carry on dodging...

Your original question is irrelevant.

Yeah, if i wont play your game i have no answer. I know perfectly well about all those conditions, but regardless of any market conditions £425 is still a ridiculous price and at that point everything else becomes irrelevant, Microsoft managed to put their next gen system out a year ago for £125 less, Sony should have got somewhere a lot closer to that.

You're just a sony fanboy trying to justify the price any way possible.

etc.

See why my original question still stands? Answer my questions and we will carry on having a debate. For clarity, the original question is highlighted in yellow for you - so you dont miss it again And please explain to me how it was irrelevant to the debate.

 

[ElRazur]

Sony Computer Entertainment has started production on the previously announced 65nm CELL processor. All PlayStation 3 units so far have a 90nm processor inside, but this will change soon. As it seems Sony has started the massproduction of the 65nm processor, and this will have a few advantages.

First of all, this will mean a price cut for Sony on every PlayStation 3 sold. This is because the 65nm CELL processor is cheaper than the 90nm processor.

And second, this means a heatreduction for the PlayStation 3.

Also this 'new' processor is not only for the PlayStation 3, it's will also be used for more Sony or Toshiba products.

Whether this new 65nm processor will be in all PlayStation 3 units at the European launch is unknown. We expect Sony to announce this in the coming months. Don't expect a price drop though, because Sony will still lose a lot of money with this 'new' processor.

Via psu

 

[Manlove is my forte]

El,

Completely off topic. but what the hell does your sig mean. Have I missed something?

 

[Burned_Alive]

You are beating round the bush and STILL not answering my question. You said this

and then i asked you

Yet you wouldnt answer my question instead post a series of answers for a question i didnt asked and the one i want you to you carry on dodging...



etc.

See why my original question still stands? Answer my questions and we will carry on having a debate. For clarity, the original question is highlighted in yellow for you - so you dont miss it again And please explain to me how it was irrelevant to the debate.

The guy you're quoting to begin with isnt me, so might want to refer to him

Your question is irrelevant because (and i repeat this for the 2nd or 3rd time, yet you still dont seem to get it) the price point of the console is too high, BEFORE you take any other factors into consideration related to the uk market or any other market.