Weak demand leads Apple to halve iPhone 5 component orders

Totality said:
The Android OS has come on in leaps and bounds recently. I've tried every iteration of Android since 2.0 and Jelly Bean was the first time I actually kept the device. Ultimately it was let down by the standard poor quality of Android hardware and the speakers broke an it suffered from bad backlight bleeding.

The apps on Android are also poor compared to iOS versions and run badly. I couldn't find a good PDF app to compare to Goodreader and the browsers were all laggy.

If Android keeps developing at the rate it is, however, I will be very interested to see what the next iterations bring to the table. Give me proper lock screen notifications and a non-geeky theme out of the box and better quality hardware and Ill be sold.

If iOS doesn't develop and stays as it is for another 12-24 months I can see trouble ahead for Apple given how good Jelly Bean is compared to the older versions of Android. In another year it could be perfect!
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There are a few things I'm sitting around waiting for Android to have; the equivalent of Apple's double pressing the home button on the lockscreen to get music/media controls, lock screen notifications that when swiped, take you straight to that notification and a more consistent look and feel across the entire OS and ecosystem.
 
shine said:
I think that is unlikely to ever happen as the nature of the OS allows every manufacturer to customise it differently.
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Well I'm specifically talking about the Nexus 4 here, so it must be possible! Google just need to lay down some more rules and make people stick by them (icon sizes, keyboard layouts used in apps etc), these should all be standard and the same across every app.
 
Totality said:
...given how good Jelly Bean is compared to the older versions of Android. In another year it could be perfect!
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I remember people saying the same about waiting for JB to come out, it would be the answer to all the previous Android criticisms :p
 
mrochester said:
Well I'm specifically talking about the Nexus 4 here, so it must be possible! Google just need to lay down some more rules and make people stick by them (icon sizes, keyboard layouts used in apps etc), these should all be standard and the same across every app.
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I understand what you're saying but Android is an open system, the goal is not have a standard design but to allow everyone to have a different design. I don't see Google wanting to change something is working for them.
 
shine said:
I understand what you're saying but Android is an open system, the goal is not have a standard design but to allow everyone to have a different design. I don't see Google wanting to change something is working for them.
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Design is an incredibly important aspect of a product. It's very foolish to overlook design if you ask me.
 
mrochester said:
Design is an incredibly important aspect of a product. It's very foolish to overlook design if you ask me.
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No one is denying that I'm just pointing out that Google doesn't want to impose a strict design but allow each manufacturer to create their own.
 
shine said:
No one is denying that I'm just pointing out that Google doesn't want to impose a strict design but allow each manufacturer to create their own.
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I'm not really referring to the variations on manufacturers designs and skins, more the apps that Google allow into the Play Store. Google can most definitely lay down and enforce better rules and regulations in this regard.
 
mrochester said:
I'm not really referring to the variations on manufacturers designs and skins, more the apps that Google allow into the Play Store. Google can most definitely lay down and enforce better rules and regulations in this regard.
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Right, yes I agree, it really annoyed me on some of the rubbish that makes into the store. It was one of the reasons I switched to the iPhone as I was impressed with the quality of the apps on my iPad.
 
shine said:
Right, yes I agree, it really annoyed me on some of the rubbish that makes into the store. It was one of the reasons I switched to the iPhone as I was impressed with the quality of the apps on my iPad.
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And apps are pretty much the reason to have a smartphone in the first place!
 
So lots of people seem to want iOS to "keep moving" or "not stay" stagnant...Apart from "widgets", which I think are a terrible idea*, what do people want to see in iOS, and why? "Because it is in android" isn't a good enough reason.

* my "why" for this is because of the information overload. If rather have a more powerful notification centre. Springboard for me is the app launcher, and I want everything out of my way so I can find the app I'm after, not be overloaded with the information of my latest emails or texts.
 
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JonB said:
So lots of people seem to want iOS to "keep moving" or "not stay" stagnant...Apart from "widgets", which I think are a terrible idea for springboard, what do people want to see in iOS, and why? "Because it is in android" isn't a good enough reason
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Exactly. I really never used the widgets when I had an S3 although I played about with them, and I can't think of any of the features it had that I would want in iOS.

It may be simple, but it works and is perfect at letting you be able to pick up a device and do exactly what you need to do quickly. I don't want several homescreens filled with "live" widgets which don't give me all the information I need, and still require me to go into the full app rendering them pointless. I want one simple screen with access to all my apps in one or two clicks (if they are in a folder).
 
From my personal perspective, I hope that Apple get off their collective complacent rear ends and create something game changing again. Regardless of how good IOS is (or isn't), regardless of how nice the hardware is, it's still the same old same old. Customers are getting tired of dishing out large amounts of cash only to get home and have it do exactly the same thing as their last device only slightly quicker and then have Apple 'update' that takes away great core functionality.

I'm an Android guy as long as it meets all my requirements, doesn't baby me and continues to innovate and improve over previous incarnations. All things that Apple doesn't do. My Transformer Infinity is flawless, runs without a hiccup, allows me to connect pretty much any device to it via USB, has built in SD and MicroSD slots, 14hrs of battery life, microHDMI out and a beautiful display. The OS never crashes and fully integrates with both my Android devices and my home network. Next to an iPad it leaves it for dust in almost every single way. The only thing it lacks is Mobile 4G but since I can freely tether it to my phone it's a non event.

The most frustrating thing about Apple is that we know that they're capable of producing amazing products and reinventing market segments but instead they've sat on their laurels and fed Apple fans substandard rehashed technology. The thing that they need to be properly concerned about is that people are now able to innovate on their own, achieve funding from Kickstarter and bring them to market with a crowd sourced IP. It seems all Apple has left is litigation.
 
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ic1male said:
People keep saying iOS is stale in comparison to Android but what else do they want from it? I've used Jelly Bean on a tablet and it is just ghastly. GHASTLY.
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Don't be a drama queen. Android is excellent in every conceivable way and iOS has added nothing. That's Apple's problem - the competition has caught up and surpassed them and they don't know what to do.
 
Nightglow said:
Getting worse.:D

Vice President of Retail, Jerry McDougal has left Apple.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/27898...cate_apple_close_to_hiring_new_svp/index.html
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Why's that worse? Maybe he's mad that he's been glossed over the SVP role twice, as Tim Cook looks to bring in someone new?

SteveOBHave said:
From my personal perspective, I hope that Apple get off their collective complacent rear ends and create something game changing again. Regardless of how good IOS is (or isn't), regardless of how nice the hardware is, it's still the same old same old. Customers are getting tired of dishing out large amounts of cash only to get home and have it do exactly the same thing as their last device only slightly quicker and then have Apple 'update' that takes away great core functionality.
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What iOS update has taken functionality away from a device?

I don't understand why people keep missing the point. APPLE DON'T EXPECT YOU TO UPGRADE EVERY ITERATION. This is why they give you free iOS updates, which (un-surprisingly) add features to the phone. More importantly though, the free iOS updates keep SDK compatibility across devices, so you can continue to run and use your favourite 3rd party apps as they improve themselves.

The future of computing is in the software and what it is able to do, or allows you to get done; Be this work, education or play. Mobile hardware, just like PC hardware before it, is becoming commodity and all players are equal in this regard.
 
George Hincapie said:
Don't be a drama queen. Android is excellent in every conceivable way and iOS has added nothing. That's Apple's problem - the competition has caught up and surpassed them and they don't know what to do.
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Added nothing? Oh dear. I take it you've never used it.

I guess Android has 'added nothing' too then.

SteveOBHave said:
From my personal perspective, I hope that Apple get off their collective complacent rear ends and create something game changing again. Regardless of how good IOS is (or isn't), regardless of how nice the hardware is, it's still the same old same old. Customers are getting tired of dishing out large amounts of cash only to get home and have it do exactly the same thing as their last device only slightly quicker and then have Apple 'update' that takes away great core functionality.

I'm an Android guy as long as it meets all my requirements, doesn't baby me and continues to innovate and improve over previous incarnations. All things that Apple doesn't do. My Transformer Infinity is flawless, runs without a hiccup, allows me to connect pretty much any device to it via USB, has built in SD and MicroSD slots, 14hrs of battery life, microHDMI out and a beautiful display. The OS never crashes and fully integrates with both my Android devices and my home network. Next to an iPad it leaves it for dust in almost every single way. The only thing it lacks is Mobile 4G but since I can freely tether it to my phone it's a non event.

The most frustrating thing about Apple is that we know that they're capable of producing amazing products and reinventing market segments but instead they've sat on their laurels and fed Apple fans substandard rehashed technology. The thing that they need to be properly concerned about is that people are now able to innovate on their own, achieve funding from Kickstarter and bring them to market with a crowd sourced IP. It seems all Apple has left is litigation.
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And if you value apps over what tend to be more niche features then the iPad leaves the rest of the competition for dust.

People are keen to heap praise on Android when in reality it hasn't changed massively from earlier builds. It just appears that way due to its open nature.

Nismo said:
Exactly. I really never used the widgets when I had an S3 although I played about with them, and I can't think of any of the features it had that I would want in iOS.

It may be simple, but it works and is perfect at letting you be able to pick up a device and do exactly what you need to do quickly. I don't want several homescreens filled with "live" widgets which don't give me all the information I need, and still require me to go into the full app rendering them pointless. I want one simple screen with access to all my apps in one or two clicks (if they are in a folder).
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I tend to have widgets there for the sake of it. I don't need them and they certainly aren't as good as people make out. For example if you have a weather and news widget on one page, in the unlikely event they update properly (so you don't have to press something), you still can't see much information. Pressing a weather app button like you do on iOS is just as quick in general. I'd say toggles and things are useful but I don't find myself needing to toggle things off on the iPhone/iPad as it appears to manage such things better to start with.
 
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