Weekend Football Thread 31-2 *spoilers*

i agree completely with the above, we dropped points in our last few home games, should have been maybe 5 points clear by now.

I say wait until after christmas, see where we lie then.

mike ashley is a complete tool.
 
Another loss for us. I wouldn't mind if we was losing to teams because they were playing well, but we are just crap. No other way to describe our performances.

I would like to know if anyone saw the logic of Ched Evans being replaced by Kamara, when we were losing? (Both strikers). Ah well, I was expecting it. The other day Blackwell was saying Sharp never hit it off for us. He forgot to mention he got him chasing the ball down the wing. Argh! Go away football! :( :p
 
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We need somebody like De Rossi, Gattuso, Van Bommel, Cambiasso, just someone who can actually play the position consistently well. There are plenty of good holders out there and I think Wenger needs to sort that position out. Diaby plays better than Song, and if people read my posts then they'll know how much it hurts me to say something good about Diaby! Anyway, silverware, we'd better get something this season and at the moment I think we certainly deserve something, despite the odd sketchy performances I don't think we've lost since Man City?
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Why we don't give Gibbs, Eboue, even Senderos had more of a clue in preseason as a DM than the terrible trio. We need a defender there, people said Song had a good game against spurs, I seem to remember him, for no reason shooting, at our own goal from 25 yards out, luckily off target. Had he been on target the fact Almunia was in the first 10mins of his first game in a while, and couldn't handle it. I don't think I've ever seen someone with no pressure on him blast the ball out from so far away for a corner(and arguably would have been an incredibly hard to save "shot" had it been anywhere near the goal. That plus a tonne of utterly woeful passing in that game, but yes, even with all of that Diaby still made Song look the far better player.

I've yet to see Diaby have a single game this year where we couldn't have put in an identical performance with 10 men on the pitch and no Diaby, except of course less freekicks conceded around our penalty box.

Its just a tad early to proclaim Eastwood the long term successor either, he was ok against Liverpool, but they played Plessis and the other useless midget in central mid, wasn't the same as being up against lampard and Essien.

AS for Silverware, Liverpool played a pants team and we played a relatively strong team, didn't exactly spank them and as the cup goes on we'll likely play less senior players. It was an odd Carling Cup game as we had so many first team squad members needing games due to injuries we played a far stronger team than we normally would have.

League we're doing well now, but we've still played half as many top half teams as Chelsea/Utd have so far and those are the teams we struggled against very badly last year due to weak DM's. We're due for a run of harder games soon and we'll have to see where we stand in the league after that. Frankly any real shot at the league rests on how well Chelsea cope when they lose 4 or 5 main squad members for the African Nations Cup, they'll be threadbare to start, any extra injuries and they could struggle with the minnows seeing their chance for rare win against Chelsea.
 
He seems to have picked out his one **** up, an overhit backpass which led to a corner. Other than that i can't honestly think of anything he did wrong. He was very disciplined in not pushing forward late in the game too.
 
Alex Song was rubbish when he came into the side. However he has matured, and is possibly the most improved player in the Premiership in the last 12 months. He's not the best DM in the world by any means, but he's still young and given time will become even better. He's certainly better than any player in our squad in that position.
 
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Aye - he is the best in that position, but it means sod all when he's the best of a very bad bunch. Do agree with the point that Wenger needs to splash out and get somebody. I'm all for giving the people we have a chance, but that time's past now so we really are at the point where the cheque book needs to be taken out.

Hell doing so might even improve Song, Diaby et al., the DM's a really tough position to play; I've often thought it's the position where it's beneficial the most to have an experienced person.
 
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We were very lucky last night to win but the ref did nobody any favours, yellow cards for innocuous tackles, nothing for a crunching one. I'm still trying to work out what Taylor did to deserve a yellow as all the replays show nothing.
 
Gooner14 said:
Eastwood?? Get a ****ing clue.

Did you miss Song's tackle in the 1st half when Gallas had let Keane past him? Or are you being selectively anti-Alex Song yet again.
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Or are you selectively picking out the one thing he got right, and ignoring the multitude of things he got wrong, very very rarely picked out and tracked midfield runners, awful passing, delaying counter attacks time and time again by choosing not to pass quickly to our attacking players but slow down, not make up his mind walk with the ball then choose a 5 yard sideways pass.

Again NOT making tonnes of mistakes doesn't make a good performance, you also had a very noticeable lack of pace in their central midfielders, who ALL had bad games, which is where he's exposed time and time and time again against better sides.

As for calling it a slightly overhit backpass, he didn't sidefoot it, there was no pass, he absolutely blasted it, its the strangest thing I've seen anyone do in ages, it was like trying the Championship manager demo where the game engine will show a player, on his own, 30 yards from goal turn and blast it out for a corner. LIke I said, had that been at the keeper, that could have been an own goal, if you can't see how a player who can even come close to making that mistake shouldn't be the DM, well, I give up.

he didn't slip as he passed and acidentally lob the ball over the keeper, or knock it out for a corner, he just blasted it.

As for Eastmond, can you show me where I said we should start him over Song? I mean really, or did I simply say based on one performance I'm not going to say he'll be great in the future, did you see me instead of suggest playing him, playing Gibbs, Senderos(purely because Wenger played him DM in preseason), or Eboue, who would all be better as DM's, or more useful than Diaby frankly.

Hell you could just start Gibbs at left back and play CLichy in midfield.
 
He was trying to hit it with the outside of his foot but ended up hitting it straight on, therefore going the wrong direction and having too muh power. No one is saying he is a world beater but he is loads better than he was and he is actually quite good now. As well as being able to play DM he is composed on the ball and can usually pick out a decent pass. I think you are the only person who thinks he hasnt improved and is rubbish, he seems to be getting some favourable reports in the media too.
 
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As for Eastmond, can you show me where I said we should start him over Song? I mean really, or did I simply say based on one performance I'm not going to say he'll be great in the future, did you see me instead of suggest playing him, playing Gibbs, Senderos(purely because Wenger played him DM in preseason), or Eboue, who would all be better as DM's, or more useful than Diaby frankly.

Hell you could just start Gibbs at left back and play CLichy in midfield.
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I changed my post. but It took you 40 minutes to write that!!
 
Weebull said:
Diaby, better than Song? Give over.
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Indeed...funny and strange comment to make:confused:

Id be happy if Diaby never played again...other than his height he doesnt offer much...hes pretty clumsy and has what the odd game where he does well...if he could get more consistent then i wouldnt have such a problem...much like how i feel about Bendtner as well...

But meh Wenger sees something that we dont for him to play Diaby week in and week out.
 
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He was trying to hit it with the outside of his foot but ended up hitting it straight on, therefore going the wrong direction and having too muh power.
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Aye, if you play football a bit it was instantly recognisable as I'm sure we've all done it, you try and put a bit of swerve on the ball and end up putting your laces through it. :p

Needless to say, there was no danger it was going anywhere near the goal at that speed, if he'd hit it 'properly' it would have just been a normal backpass, obviously not ideal but it happens to everyone so don't see what the fuss is about :)
 
Earlier in the thread somebody said about certain players in our squad as being the best of a very bad bunch. I couldn't really agree more. Denilson, Song, Eboue and Diaby. Why do we still have any of them? Denilson was supposed to be our young DM protege, but now Song seems to have taken over that role. We don't need a little 19 year old who's always got the face of a slapped ass, we need an experienced head, someone who can read games, someone who can actually pass and contribute at both ends of the pitch. Too many times I've seen Song just storm in when there was no need. He runs at people with his legs flapping around, he gives away too many fouls and free kicks in dangerous areas. His passing is usually woeful, he doesn't contribute much to attack, his defense for me isn't exactly super, yet he's still playing week after week. I know he needs the experience, and he definitely has improved but still, he shouldn't be part of our title winning aspirations.

Viera would have been perfect for us, and after his playing days he could've coached too. For my money Denilson is better than Song, but as somebody said, they are just the best of a bad bunch. We must have some cash lying around, and I know Wenger hates to splash big dollars on players, but this is an area that we have to spend. I know he likes his youth policy too and I'm not doubting the manager because I think he's an absolute legend, but we need an older, more experienced player in the DM position in my opinion. Someone like Torsten Frings or Mark Van Bommel. I would actually play Senderos instead of Song in that position. At least he can tackle properly and doesn't give away 10 free kicks per game.
 
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Earlier in the thread somebody said about certain players in our squad as being the best of a very bad bunch. I couldn't really agree more. Denilson, Song, Eboue and Diaby. Why do we still have any of them? Denilson was supposed to be our young DM protege, but now Song seems to have taken over that role. We don't need a little 19 year old who's always got the face of a slapped ass, we need an experienced head, someone who can read games, someone who can actually pass and contribute at both ends of the pitch. Too many times I've seen Song just storm in when there was no need. He runs at people with his legs flapping around, he gives away too many fouls and free kicks in dangerous areas. His passing is usually woeful, he doesn't contribute much to attack, his defense for me isn't exactly super, yet he's still playing week after week. I know he needs the experience, and he definitely has improved but still, he shouldn't be part of our title winning aspirations.

Viera would have been perfect for us, and after his playing days he could've coached too. For my money Denilson is better than Song, but as somebody said, they are just the best of a bad bunch. We must have some cash lying around, and I know Wenger hates to splash big dollars on players, but this is an area that we have to spend. I know he likes his youth policy too and I'm not doubting the manager because I think he's an absolute legend, but we need an older, more experienced player in the DM position in my opinion. Someone like Torsten Frings or Mark Van Bommel. I would actually play Senderos instead of Song in that position. At least he can tackle properly and doesn't give away 10 free kicks per game.
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For ****'s sake he's an Arsenal legend, the least you can do is spell his name right.

VIEIRA

Denilson isn't DM, he's injured anyway so there's no point mentioning him.

3 of those players are good strong squad players. Diaby doesn't really seem to have moved on since that horrific ankle break, Dan Smith, you are a ****.

Oh and Clichy, has a broken back, out for a month or more.
 
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Why are you talking like that to me? You're telling me that you're perfectly happy with the way Song plays, and that you have no worries about the holding midfield position are you? And I'm very sorry that I missed an extra letter out of a players surname. Actually, Denilson is a DM, and if you want to dispute that then just go to Arsenal's official website and have a look. Try to leave out the personal attacks, especially if they are so petty as miss-spelling a players name.

It's actually Denilson, not Clichy with the back injury, if you're into nit picking at others mistakes.
 
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K1LLSW1TCH said:
It's actually Denilson, not Clichy with the back injury, if you're into nit picking at others mistakes.
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Errr owned as they say

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/8340393.stm

K1LLSW1TCH said:
Why are you talking like that to me? You're telling me that you're perfectly happy with the way Song plays, and that you have no worries about the holding midfield position are you? And I'm very sorry that I missed an extra letter out of a players surname. Actually, Denilson is a DM, and if you want to dispute that then just go to Arsenal's official website and have a look. Try to leave out the personal attacks, especially if they are so petty as miss-spelling a players name.
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The guys has played nearly 300 games for the club, the least we can afford him is to spell his name as it's supposed to. I've made a joke out of it in the passed when picking it up before.

Denilson is a Cesc type player, it's been discussed on here before.

I like Alex Song as well. You'll find most fans are starting to see hoe effective he is and can be.
 
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