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liquidchild76 · 30 Nov 2009 at 13:53

tsinc80697 said:
Not deserved at all but 2-0.

We didn't deserve it but I'll take the three points anyway thanks v. much, feel sorry for the Everton fans but we've had our own fair share of bad luck and injuries this season too.

Shamikebab · 30 Nov 2009 at 13:54

Tummy said:
Yet everytime I see the "best teams in the best league in the world" they line up to defend.

So? Defending is an equally viable strategy. I would say England have some of the best teams at defending in the world so why not use our strengths? Equally Spanish teams clearly struggle to break down teams who don't throw everything at them so why would we not try that?

Tummy · 30 Nov 2009 at 13:55

Shamikebab said:
Chelsea were unlucky not to go through against them. There was no 'luck' involved in our victory over them.

I think Chelsea were lucky not to lose 3/4 in the first leg

Same goes for the second leg (although Chelsea were a bit better)

That tactical genious that is Hiddink, lets line up with 10 men behind the ball.

jakeke · 30 Nov 2009 at 13:55

Tummy said:
Barca had 65% possesion over two legs against Chelsea, on another day Chelsea would have been hammered (or had a million pens if you're a chelsea fan )

When United played Barca a few years ago, and United scraped through Barca again dominated.

Barca have been a very good side for a while. I don't understand why people say Barca have over night turned in to a great side, they've been great for a long time.

Barca had 65% but it was in exactly the same positions are Arsenal yesterday, the games were almost mirror images (apart from Drogba didn't miss his chances against Arsenal like he did against Barca). Chelsea are very good at shutting out teams, yet when they got the ball yesterday they were very poor at ball retention, they could hardly pass the ball to each other, what does that say about the way football is heading? The teams with power and pace are winning and the teams that try to pass it around, with the highly technical players, can't compete. It sucks and it's becoming boring.

Tummy · 30 Nov 2009 at 13:56

Shamikebab said:
So? Defending is an equally viable strategy. I would say England have some of the best teams at defending in the world so why not use our strengths? Equally Spanish teams clearly struggle to break down teams who don't throw everything at them so why would we not try that?

It's not good football to watch. I enjoy watching good football, there are very few teams in England that can play good football.

So English teams can defend, thats because they're all stronger and quicker, not because they can play football.

jakeke · 30 Nov 2009 at 13:58

Tummy said:
It's not good football to watch. I enjoy watching good football, there are very few teams in England that can play good football.

So English teams can defend, thats because they're all stronger and quicker, not because they can play football.

Agreed, can't stand most English football atm. I should move to Spain, to me football is about having the ball and keeping it, not sitting back, defending, hoofing it and then sending a fast player to run after it. Such a rubbish way to play football, yet 95% of English people love it for some reason

I'm reading a book on the history of football/tactics and it explains why the English game is this way.

Tummy · 30 Nov 2009 at 13:58

Look at the teams that do well in World Cups, it's always the footballing side's.

Until the Premier League stops a) buying players from over sea's and b) actually teachers young players to play football England will continue to be a average footballing nation.

Shamikebab · 30 Nov 2009 at 13:59

Tummy said:
It's not good football to watch. I enjoy watching good football, there are very few teams in England that can play good football.

So English teams can defend, thats because they're all stronger and quicker, not because they can play football.

Are you reading back what you're writing?

What you enjoy watching means sweet **** all to the teams involved. If you asked Guardiola whether he would rather lose 3-0 in the final by playing attacking football or win 1-0 by snatching a goal and the holding on to it, I can bet which one he would take.

Yes England teams are stronger and quicker, these are football attributes, attributes that are clearly better than those in other countries, therefore they are better at defending, which IS playing football.

Tummy · 30 Nov 2009 at 13:59

jakeke said:
Agreed, can't stand most English football atm. I should move to Spain, to me football is about having the ball and keeping it, not sitting back, defending, hoofing it and then sending a fast player to run after it.

I'm reading a book on the history of football/tactics and it explains why the English game is this way.

Read "The Ball is Round" Fantastic book, if a million pages long.

jakeke · 30 Nov 2009 at 14:01

Shamikebab said:
Are you reading back what you're writing?

What you enjoy watching means sweet **** all to the teams involved. If you asked Guardiola whether he would rather lose 3-0 in the final by playing attacking football or win 1-0 by snatching a goal and the holding on to it, I can bet which one he would take.

Yes England teams are stronger and quicker, these are football attributes, attributes that are clearly better than those in other countries, therefore they are better at defending, which IS playing football.

Guardiola and Barcelona will never give up their philosophy, do you know about the history of Barca?? Yesterday when they were 1 - 0 and down to 10 men in maybe their most important game of the season they didn't snatch a goal and hold on, they were going for a second. So you're completely off there. Not everybody has this awful English mindset of results over entertainment

Shamikebab · 30 Nov 2009 at 14:01

Tummy said:
Look at the teams that do well in World Cups, it's always the footballing side's.

Until the Premier League stops a) buying players from over sea's and b) actually teachers young players to play football England will continue to be a average footballing nation.

So how did Greece win Euro 2004 then? It does work, just because no-one has one the world cup with primarily defensive football (I'm guessing here, I haven't been alive forever) doesn't mean it isn't an option.

Tummy · 30 Nov 2009 at 14:01

Shamikebab said:
Are you reading back what you're writing?

What you enjoy watching means sweet **** all to the teams involved. If you asked Guardiola whether he would rather lose 3-0 in the final by playing attacking football or win 1-0 by snatching a goal and the holding on to it, I can bet which one he would take.

Yes England teams are stronger and quicker, these are football attributes, attributes that are clearly better than those in other countries, therefore they are better at defending, which IS playing football.

Spain have a better league because they play football, South America is great to watch becaue they play football (and fight), Italy play some great football (and fight), Germany have started playing good football, Russia have started playing good football.

English football is pale in comparision, long ball, big and overly physical players. Football isn't about been the strongest or the quickest, it's about playing football.

There are very few teams in England that would survive in Spain.

Tummy · 30 Nov 2009 at 14:02

jakeke said:
Guardiola and Barcelona will never give up their philosophy, do you know about the history of Barca?? Yesterday when they were 1 - 0 and down to 10 men in maybe their most important game of the season they didn't snatch a goal and hold on, they were going for a second. So you're completely off there. Not everybody has this awful English mindset of results over entertainment

Barca would rather lose playing football then win playing anti football.

Barca always play good football, it's what Barca are about.

AGD · 30 Nov 2009 at 14:03

Tummy said:
That tactical genious that is Hiddink, lets line up with 10 men behind the ball.

Stewy · 30 Nov 2009 at 14:05

Do you watch low level Spanish football? It's painfully ****....

Tummy · 30 Nov 2009 at 14:06

Shamikebab said:
So how did Greece win Euro 2004 then? It does work, just because no-one has one the world cup with primarily defensive football (I'm guessing here, I haven't been alive forever) doesn't mean it isn't an option.

Greece were a one off.

Much like the FA Cup final last year.

Tummy · 30 Nov 2009 at 14:07

StewartMG said:
Do you watch low level Spanish football? It's painfully ****....

The top league in Spain is good, all the sides play football and attack.

The same can be said for most low league football everywhere.

Shamikebab · 30 Nov 2009 at 14:09

jakeke said:
Guardiola and Barcelona will never give up their philosophy, do you know about the history of Barca?? Yesterday when they were 1 - 0 and down to 10 men in maybe their most important game of the season they didn't snatch a goal and hold on, they were going for a second. So you're completely off there. Not everybody has this awful English mindset of results over entertainment

Well in that case Guardiola is a moron, no wonder Barcelona don't win everything is Spain then. If you go for entertainment over results then you clearly aren't a very good manager.

Tummy said:
Spain have a better league because they play football, South America is great to watch becaue they play football (and fight), Italy play some great football (and fight), Germany have started playing good football, Russia have started playing good football.

English football is pale in comparision, long ball, big and overly physical players. Football isn't about been the strongest or the quickest, it's about playing football.

There are very few teams in England that would survive in Spain.

So how come it's the English teams that dominate in Europe? Apart from Barcelona no-one in Spain has come close to winning for years, and even then Barcelona needed some very dodgy decisions against Chelsea to get through. Italian teams likewise are hardly doing much in Europe, Russian teams haven't got very far in the Champions League and as for Germany, look at Bayern.

jakeke · 30 Nov 2009 at 14:11

Tummy said:
Barca would rather lose playing football then win playing anti football.

Barca always play good football, it's what Barca are about.

That's what it's all about to me, unfortunately there's such a monumental amount of money involved, everybody would rather set out to not lose, rather than to win. Football to me is a game that should be enjoyed, you shouldn't be terrified of losing like almost every team are at the minute. I was really excited up until about 4:10pm yesterday, all week Ancelotti was saying that Chelsea will attack Arsenal and try and play football, I didn't know that was his definition

Tummy · 30 Nov 2009 at 14:12

Shamikebab said:
Well in that case Guardiola is a moron, no wonder Barcelona don't win everything is Spain then. If you go for entertainment over results then you clearly aren't a very good manager.

Won everything last year in Spain? :confused:

Shamikebab said:
So how come it's the English teams that dominate in Europe? Apart from Barcelona no-one in Spain has come close to winning for years, and even then Barcelona needed some very dodgy decisions against Chelsea to get through. Italian teams likewise are hardly doing much in Europe, Russian teams haven't got very far in the Champions League and as for Germany, look at Bayern.

Because the English teams are willing to sacrifice football for results.
I want to watch good football, I don't want to see two defensive sides slug it out in a Champions League final. Boring.

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