It's actually an anti-diabetic medicine, so yeah.
My interest in it comes from being pre-diabetic with a risk of type 2.
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My interest in it comes from being pre-diabetic with a risk of type 2.
Soldato
i had this when it first appeared few years back as part of my diabetes program. Didn't work for me and gave my VERY bad diarrhea to the point i had to come off it. Will never to it again, also it never suppressed my appetite
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So, how is it they can afford to eat 4k+ calories a day consistently if they are so poor and deprived?
It's a little simplistic to think that weight management is as simple as calories in vs calories out. There's a lot of other stuff in play as well.
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I will have to remember that when i fill up my car with petrol. last time i checked moving more burned more fuel, going faster burned more fuel etc, if my car was sat on the drive not moving with a constant supply of fuel my tank would overflow.....
The above works exactly the same for a human too... it really is not rocket science.
Sure some cars get better mpg than others, just the same as some humans burn less/more calories but in that case you calculate what you need and eat less/more to suit your BMR
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So your car will get EXACTLY the same consumption regardless of conditions, or flat tyres, or driving uphill, or a tailwind?
It really isn't that simple, honest. There's hormones involved, and differing metabolic pathways. There's no simple combustion system in your stomach that converts x amount of food into x amount of muscle/brain fuel at a standard conversion rate.
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the only time it become complicated is when people make it complicated.
Sure you may go up 1-2 pound a week or down 1-2 a week. if you are consistantly gaining 2 pounds a week you know you are eating too much, you know what you ate the previous week, you can either A) bury your head in the sand and continue or B) eat less the following weeks until you are either staying the same weight or losing weight depending on your goal
OK then
if the metabolic rate in your car decreases as a result of regular 'exercise' then I need that ICE , they do have optimum operating temperature and cooling too, so I suppose there are some parallels.
Soldato
Because cheap food is often highly processed and loaded with calories (sugar and fat) compared to good quality wholesome food which often costs more. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/climate-and-people/eating-healthy-diet-expensive-many-britons-research-finds/#:~:text=“Unhealthy food is so cheap,very low levels of nutrients.
"Among UK households, the report predicts that the poorest 20 per cent would need to spend more than 39 per cent of their disposable income, after housing costs, to eat in line with the Eatwell Guide.
There is continuing divergence between the cost of healthy and unhealthy foods, with the average cost of healthy foods in 2019 being around £7.68 compared to £2.48 for less healthy food of the same calorific value."
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thats why you go over the average of say 1 week.
I go to the gym 6 days a week, for 1-2 hours at a time. I can very easily stay the same weight consistantly by the end of the week within 1-2 pounds.
Lets be honest here, but fat is the easy option, im not putting others down this is there choice but then it comes to people wanting help with fat loss via drugs from the NHS because they cannot work it out themselves, this bugs me.
I have taken the easy option in other respects of my life sure, but i dont complain about it, or try and make excuses about it
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Not really, EASY FOOD is cheaper and processed and loaded with calories. You can make your own meals most likely cheaper but this is not "quick" and "easy"
It's not that simple.
One of the biggest driving rates behind obesity, are overweight and obese children. They're getting overweight and obese, because they're getting battered with hyper-pallatable fake food, calorie dense yet lacking in proper nutrition - designed only addict them and nothing else, we've done nothing about it for years - and now it's too late.
The goverment and others have been harking on about "personal responsibility" but children are the weak link, because they generally have much lower levels of fortitude and don't know how to say no, or see that they're being fed junk as easily as healthy adults.
When children learn these bad habits and become addicted, they're far more likely to carry that behaviour into later life, where metabolic diseases and other problems start - by which point it's too late.
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I was a bit slow to post an edit which said,
"Among UK households, the report predicts that the poorest 20 per cent would need to spend more than 39 per cent of their disposable income, after housing costs, to eat in line with the Eatwell Guide.
There is continuing divergence between the cost of healthy and unhealthy foods, with the average cost of healthy foods in 2019 being around £7.68 compared to £2.48 for less healthy food of the same calorific value.""
So poor people are going to take the easy and cheap way and end up on a poor diet, which is generally why deprived areas suffer more from obesity and poor health
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I agree 100% with everything you wrote
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I have been poor, extremely to the point of having 1 "meal" a day between the ages of 18-20. there was zero chance i was going to get fat on what i could afford to buy.
No, the tax payer foots the bill. Which has an knock on effect to everyone else.
Being overweight is caused by laziness and lack of discipline. Giving lazy people free stuff or vouchers doesn't all of a sudden make them no longer lazy. It actually encourages them to continue living an unhealthy lifestyle because they never work for those handouts.
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Would it make a difference to this conversation if I pointed out that I was a tax payer?
The food industry figured this out years ago, there's generally always a fast food joint in or around a deprived area, you see it more in the US than over here - but we're becoming the same gradually.
They're also very very clever at how they price things up, things like Dominos can look very expensive - but when you start using their "deals" you can get an enormous amount of food, enough for 4-5 people, but quite a good price - especially considering the level of convenience.
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So have I been dirt poor being homeless when I was a kid. Food has changed dramatically since I was a kid though which is why the obesity epidemic has been steadily increasing over the years, because the advent of energy dense ultra processed food at very cheap prices didn't exist when I was a kid.
Also not every poor person is going to be obese, just a larger proportion of them compared to better off groups of people. Some poor families eat poorly because no one knows how to cook properly from scratch, some eat like that solely for convenience and price etc
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