Wenger - get out

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Another 'new' Arsenal fan I'm sure, lured in by our sucess of the late 90's early 00's - do you remember the George Graham years? Do you remember 1-0 to the Arsenal, the win at any costs mentality? Give me a trophyless season any day over that.

You know what, yes we are lacking bottle. Cesc isnt captain material, he isnt a leader on the field, despite the fact he is a fantastic player. Give us a strong centre midfielder, in the mold of Vieira or Essein, somebody better than Song or Diaby at breaking up their attacks and protecting the back 4. Then give us a genuine goal threat to play alongside Van Persie, give us somebody who is capable of getting 25+ goals a season and can stay fit. Use the money from the sale of Bendtner, Song, Diaby and tbh, if Gibbs can stay fit, offload Clichy aswell. Do all that, and we'll be world beaters.

As for Wenger out? Do me a favour you *******.
 
The_One said:
fa cup
premiership
community shield

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n one counts winning the Community shield in a treble winning season. As for Arsenal, they wont win anything until they accept the fact that they will HAVE to spend big on players - they are very weak in goal with keepers making stupid mistakes that have cost them big.
 
Not an Arsenal fan or a fan of a team that has any relevance to Arsenal, but imo as much as people belittle those wanting Wenger out, who is to say that a successor cant be better?

Trophies dont mean everything so i can see why he stays in a job, the basic priority over everything is a Top 4 place sadly but he delivers that without much trouble....

With regards to replacing him there are plenty of foreign coaches with good resumes; Van Gaal springs to mind, Hiddink again could be available. Its a case of being scared of the unknown... Arsenal fans have had 15years of Wenger, consistency and sprinkled success, changing that and you have that unpredictability about it all in probably an era when the League is starting to get tougher at the top (ie Top 6 teams)
 
You'd be utterly stupid to get rid of wenger. He's had arsenal punching above their weight for over a decade. Things are tough at the moment but he is still performing relatively well when compared with some much better funded rivals.
 
all the games in the season to explode and it always seems to occur after Liverpool games with these clubs :(
Its okay, Roy isnt in charge anymore? we're no longer crap!
 
I got myself a ticket to the United game today, probably some silly doomer like the OP deciding he hates the club now, and putting his up for sale on the club exchange.

HIGH FIVE.
 
Don't worry about it, I don't think my sense of humour writes out very well.

It was more a play on when if you don't want to give something back, you lick it.
 
Wenger gets Arsenal to second place in the premier league and you want him out? Yeah ok. You really won't be able to find a manager that comes closer to Alex Ferguson than he is.

Arsenal fans don't know they're born these days.
 
BaZ87 said:
There's no doubt that overall Wenger has done a great job at Arsenal but how long can he live off his success pre-2005? They've won nothing in 6 years now and I can't help but think this is another 2008(?). They got so close to the league that season and everybody was thinking they just need to make a couple of additions to their squad but in the summer they lost Flamini and Hleb and they ended up going backwards. Without success it's difficult to keep hold of the likes of Fabregas and without Fabregas it's difficult to see Arsenal winning anything (in the short-term).

That's all based on there being money to spend though. As I initially said, if the money isn't there, the job he's doing to remain ahead of City and Spurs is excellent.
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I take the point that there's only so long a manager can go without success at a club according to whatever success is for that particular club before they must start answering difficult questions despite past glories. I just think that while they aren't winning the trophies that some fans seem to expect they're still pretty solidly in or around where you'd want to be as a "big" club, they might not have taken the ultimate step and won a trophy as recently as they would like but compared to most they're doing fairly well.

Or to put it another way if my team was as unsuccessful and unstable as Arsenal I wouldn't be particularly worried about the future.
 
In all seriousness, there's probably a perfectly good debate to be had about how much rope you give someone who is now consistently doing well, but not quite winning stuff. Given that it's obvious that we could do better, but at the same time it could be a whole lot worse, it's hard to call isn't it?

Unfortunately, any chance of having that debate is utterly lost on people who act as though we're about to be relegated because we're unlikely to catch United in the league.

Greenlizard0 said:
Don't worry about it, I don't think my sense of humour writes out very well.

It was more a play on when if you don't want to give something back, you lick it.
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I think you misunderstood why I was asking "again?" ;)
 
Who could replace wenger? How about anyone that can see the basic flaws in our squad and address them. Our spending may look minimal but if you look at our wage bill then you'll see where most of our money goes. We may have made record profits last season but I doubt that will ever happen again - We aren't going to make any serious money if we don't have any players/flats to sell.

Rids said:
Another 'new' Arsenal fan I'm sure, lured in by our sucess of the late 90's early 00's - do you remember the George Graham years? Do you remember 1-0 to the Arsenal, the win at any costs mentality? Give me a trophyless season any day over that.

You know what, yes we are lacking bottle. Cesc isnt captain material, he isnt a leader on the field, despite the fact he is a fantastic player. Give us a strong centre midfielder, in the mold of Vieira or Essein, somebody better than Song or Diaby at breaking up their attacks and protecting the back 4. Then give us a genuine goal threat to play alongside Van Persie, give us somebody who is capable of getting 25+ goals a season and can stay fit. Use the money from the sale of Bendtner, Song, Diaby and tbh, if Gibbs can stay fit, offload Clichy aswell. Do all that, and we'll be world beaters.

As for Wenger out? Do me a favour you *******.
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Wenger isn't going to do any of those things, thats the reason some people want him out! He puts too much faith in dead weight like rosicky/diaby/song/denilson and none of them repay his faith. They're obviously going nowhere as wenger thinks they'll 'come good' or something.


KNiVES said:
Wenger gets Arsenal to second place in the premier league and you want him out? Yeah ok. You really won't be able to find a manager that comes closer to Alex Ferguson than he is.

Arsenal fans don't know they're born these days.
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the season isn't over and chelsea are only 2 points behind us. Heck, if we loose 2 games then even city/spurs have a chance of overtaking us, I really wouldn't put it past us to drop out of the title race and end up in a scrap for a CL place.
 
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Weebull said:
In all seriousness, there's probably a perfectly good debate to be had about how much rope you give someone who is now consistently doing well, but not quite winning stuff. Given that it's obvious that we could do better, but at the same time it could be a whole lot worse, it's hard to call isn't it?

Unfortunately, any chance of having that debate is utterly lost on people who act as though we're about to be relegated because we're unlikely to catch United in the league.
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That's where the difficulty lies. People think that because we're not doing as well as we used to we've taken serious steps back. But we're no longer competing against just the one club (UTD), when we won around half the trophies available. We're now against 4, maybe 5 others who as things have stood have had larger budgets than ours.

However on the flip side if we ascend to second or third, noting our budget, there'd be a real sense of accomplishment. However people are disappointed because we always fall to those positions from winning ones. If we can just stop bottling it at the end, we'd have had much more success. There's no average about it - the results just stop happening during the business part of the season.

Weebull said:
I think you misunderstood why I was asking "again?" ;)
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You're right, I guess my point stands ironically enough. :o
 
Sacking Wenger would be a very expensive exercise. I'm sure any potential replacement would want to completely rebuild the squad.

It's got to happen at some point though. Arsenal have massive gate income and are consistently in the Champions League. They have the resources to win something on a regular basis.

Perhaps Arsenal will start winning things once the financial fairplay rules come in?
 
Wenger is a good manager, he has his faults but every manager does.

The question isn't "is it time for Wenger to leave" it's "Who in the World could replace him and improve upon what he does?"

Just my two cents, It's a tough decision, How long do you give a manager who will continually get you second best and a decent cup run?
 
explicit4u said:
Who could replace wenger? How about anyone that can see the basic flaws in our squad and address them. Our spending may look minimal but if you look at our wage bill then you'll see where most of our money goes. We may have made record profits last season but I doubt that will ever happen again - We aren't going to make any serious money if we don't have any players/flats to sell.



Wenger isn't going to do any of those things, thats the reason some people want him out! He puts too much faith in dead weight like rosicky/diaby/song/denilson and none of them repay his faith. They're obviously going nowhere as wenger thinks they'll 'come good' or something.


the season isn't over and chelsea are only 2 points behind us. Heck, if we loose 2 games then even city/spurs have a chance of overtaking us, I really wouldn't put it past us to drop out of the title race and end up in a scrap for a CL place.
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I agree with everything you said. And as for a replacement, Pep guardiola only signs short contracts and has said before he would like to manage a team like Arsenal ;)
 
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