Wenger - get out

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Wenger is a good manager, he has his faults but every manager does.

The question isn't "is it time for Wenger to leave" it's "Who in the World could replace him and improve upon what he does?"

Just my two cents, It's a tough decision, How long do you give a manager who will continually get you second best and a decent cup run?

Sums up my feelings on the subject that, all I'll add is that the club seem happy being the nearly club, it keeps them in the Champions League positions and keeps their fans happy every year till March/April :p

Like I said recently the way Arsenal play really limits who could replace Wenger, they've got their style of play which differs from every other team in the league and I dont think they've got the players that could change that style should another manager come in, if they get rid of Wenger then they probably need to sell quite a few of their players as well IMO
 
People said of Liverpool who could they get to replace hodgson. In the end a former player has done wonders for the team, maybe arsenal should follow that example, there's always Paul Merson , would be fun at least watching him trying to pronounce some of the players in interviews. :)
 
I've said it 3 seasons ago, something is missing from him & his staff in keeping Arsenal from flapping in the wind when it really counts. Fergie & co. have managed to keep a weak United team kicking all season, Wenger doesn't have that what-ever-it-is.

He is *****

How about Raffa Benitez? :p
 
Wenger isn't bad at all, people seem to forget he put together arguably one of the best teams in Premier League history, it's his players not his methods.

His failings are not bringing in quality players, his eye for talent seems to have deteriorated for some reason.

I still think they are only a couple of good signings away from trophies.
 
Not to mention of course that if Arsenal beat Man Utd and the latter then loses to Chelsea (both games with a Champs League game mid-week directly before) in the league, it's suddenly all up for grabs for 'rubbish' Wenger and Arsenal :p

Unlikely I admit and Utd have to be big favourites and are looking strong but it's hardly like it's game over yet - though as of Wednesday it might well be..:p
 
Unlikely I admit and Utd have to be big favourites and are looking strong but it's hardly like it's game over yet - though as of Wednesday it might well be..:p

Yeah, extremely big game for Arsenal that one, if they lose and we beat Newcastle, I think it's over.
 
His failings are not bringing in quality players, his eye for talent seems to have deteriorated for some reason.

I still think they are only a couple of good signings away from trophies.

Coincidently when David Dein left...

We need to ship out:

Almunia, Clichy, Squillachi, Eboue, Denillson, Diaby (Although recently he has showed some attacking intent), Rosicky, Chamakh and Traore.

We could easily raise £35-£40m from them. That is keeping some of the Chaff in Bendtner and Nasri. We would then get in, (in my ideal world), Per Mertesaker, Gregory VD Weil, Leighton Baines and Jan Vertonghen. We would have a rock solid back six and enough room for some of the young prospects like Ramsey, JET, Vela, Miquel, Lansbury and Frimpong to get some first team action.
 
I still say keep Wenger, more based on the fact that who on earth would replace him?
When things are going well (and lets be honest - has been most of the season) we play cracking football to watch, we are a young side, the team is going in the right direction. A win here or there and we'd still be right in with a shot. At the start of the season I'd of definitely taken what we have achieved thus far.
My only real gripe is that Wenger seems to stand by his players through thick and thin (which I guess is good in a way) but he really does need to ditch the deadwood amongst the team - thank heavens Almunia is finely out of the No.1 position!
 
Coincidently when David Dein left...

Interesting, I didn't know that.

It does seem strange though, he used to have a brilliant eye for talent and sign some right gems, but now it seems to be failing.

Perhaps part of the trouble is players are now grossly overvalued and it is harder to get a top quality bargain buy, although not impossible with Hernandez being and example, but certainly a lot harder.
 
What are Chelsea winning this year?

Dont count your chickens and all that (there is still a mathmatical chance of them winning the EPL after all)


AW will either need to spend reasonably big (ie one or two experienced top-rated players), which he is unlikely to do whatever the funds available to the club, or the board (as there are still seemingly two owners at present) need to find a new manager with new ideas. I would question whether the players at this point are hurting enough when year in year out they get knocked out of the Cups / League before the last hurdle

The ONLY good thing about Saturday was it was evident in a lot of Utd faces how much they were hurting at the final whistle

.....we are a young side, the team is going in the right direction. !

Can you honestly say /think that with a straight face??

You have a young squad.......used to failure season after season (I wouldnt be surprised if a number of the squad dont think they will fail that season every August the number of times they have been through it).

The team is stagnated, the only way its "going in the right direction" is if fans are happy with being 2nd/3rd every season - because without major experience being bought into the side thats all you will be aiming for (and with City, Liverpool and possibly even Spurs on your heals, Arsenal could easily drop out of the top 4 very quickly

(just for the record Utd dont have a god given right to be there either, but Utd's collective experience wins games that Arsenal can only dream about right now, so even with some terrible squad players, Utd are in slightly less danger)
 
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(Utd are in slightly less danger)

We do need two top class midfielders though to prevent us from slipping into more danger, I do hope Fergie sees to this in the summer, someone along the lines of Sneijder and Modric would be nice.
 
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Heres some basic facts for the people who can't comprehend stuff.

Arsenal DO spend, we spend huge its just on a HUGE squad with HUGE wagebill, we pay more youths a higher wage than any other club, none of them make it, Wilshire is pretty much the first youth player to come through our academy since, Cole?

Arsenal spend more than ANYONE else whose not winning anything, on wages and transfers combined.

The "we haven't spent as much as Chelsea/City" argument means crap, we also spend far more(until VERY recently) than Spurs, in the wages/transfers totals, and far more than everyone else in the league, yet people go we've spent less than Chelsea and are still up there.

Cut out Chelsea, Utd, City and Arsenal are the top spenders or so of the rest, and we're exactly where we should be.

Transfer fee's are a joke, Cesc was free, Milner cost 27mil, its not black and white, its not directly comparable, and because of daft fee's at CHelsea/City wages aren't comparable(more to Chelsea than City who have just gotten beyond ridiculous).

Arsenal have a better squad, than the first team that gets picked week in week out, therefore with a better first team choice we could expect to be higher.

Theo gets drafted in, right back from injury, despite woeful inability to perform before an injury, Diaby keeps his place in the team the second he's back from injury, despite being rubbish. These decisions cost us points, and Wengers "favoured players" who play despite how rubbish they are being, have cost us points for over half a decade.

Tactically he's completely inept, substitutions he makes are horrific, again keeping on his favoured personel rather than taking off tired, injury risk or the worst performers on the day, which again costs us points. Cesc back from injury again in his first game didn't get subbed, while others who weren't tired and weren't a serious re-injury risk were taken off early, while the two worst performers on the pitch were left on..... its ridiculous. The game was well and truly won with the 3rd goal, and was realistically safe before the second half started, why play Cesc right till the end?

Wengers made the same mistakes for a decade, we had such a fantastic squad that long ago they didn't cost us titles and cups, now they do.

Whose better than Wenger, stop pretending this is Wenger from 10 years ago, he plays a different type of football, a different formation, different quality of player, Wenger "early years" and Wenger "later years" aren't even close to the same guy.

Who would be better than early years Wenger, no one, who would be better than current Wenger, many, many, many managers.

If you can think of a manager who would come in and sell Denilson and Diaby, they'd improve the squad, save Arsenal money, mean better squad players get played instead, simple stuff and they'd be doing better than Wenger right there.
 
My main problem with Wenger is how it's never his fault when Arsenal lose. It's the ref, it's the players, it's the other team, it's the phases of the moon... Sometimes you've just got to man up and take a loss on the chin.

Until he stops acting like it's Arsenal's god given right to win something because they're always top-4, I don't see Arsenal faring much better.
 
Coincidently when David Dein left...

We need to ship out:

Almunia, Clichy, Squillachi, Eboue, Denillson, Diaby (Although recently he has showed some attacking intent), Rosicky, Chamakh and Traore.

We could easily raise £35-£40m from them. That is keeping some of the Chaff in Bendtner and Nasri. We would then get in, (in my ideal world), Per Mertesaker, Gregory VD Weil, Leighton Baines and Jan Vertonghen. We would have a rock solid back six and enough room for some of the young prospects like Ramsey, JET, Vela, Miquel, Lansbury and Frimpong to get some first team action.

So Nasri is Chaff? :o Are you for real?! You've actually left me speechless!
 
no he aint. his a piece of **** that needs to go now. 6 years of turning out club to a laughing stock at the final hurdle is enough.

fair enough if all these years we have been beaten due to some fantastic performance by the opposing team but gifted goals like this? **** off. wenger can **** off

I love it, Wenger should be sacked because of the mistake of that bumbling fool Eboue?!


I'm not an Arsenal fan and couldn't give much of a rats ass about who wins what but people's logic and 'armchair manager' credentials make me laugh. [Removed a bit that would probably just see me get called a troll and rile up the glory supporters]

Who would you bring in then? Get rid of Wenger and I could see the club taking a Liverpool style nosedive, and look who they have had to brought in to try and address the problem, will you bring George Graham back?!
 
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So Nasri is Chaff? :o Are you for real?! You've actually left me speechless!

The Nasri point aside, he does have a point. Although I'd happily pay to get rid of Bendtner. Awful player.

Too many incompetent players in the team, for one reason or another. should have had Given back in the summer, and even with that one signing, I envisage it would have been an entirely different season.
 
I can't wait for the day when the axe does fall and these fans eventually get the wish of him walking/sacked.

A **** load of money will be spent and the team will start to slide down the table, with a managers head being called for every 8 months.

I respect what he has achieved with the money he has spent on transfers. I don't see anyone available who would want the job and not want to spend 250 million to finish in exactly the same spot as they are now.
 
I hate Wenger with a passion and would love Arsenal's skills if it wasn't for him.
I've just this minute finished watching yesterdays match and Wenger watches something else.
Ebouye causes a penalty and Wenger can't see it.
He's a prat of the highest order.
 
The Nasri point aside, he does have a point. Although I'd happily pay to get rid of Bendtner. Awful player.

Too many incompetent players in the team, for one reason or another. should have had Given back in the summer, and even with that one signing, I envisage it would have been an entirely different season.

But also to totally write Chamakh off after just one season? Seems more than a little harsh tbh.
 
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So Nasri is Chaff? :o Are you for real?! You've actually left me speechless!

Nasri has been poor more often than not since Christmas. If we get a substantial offer for him I would take them up on it. Get a decent winger who can play on either side, get some pace into the flanks.
 
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