Wenger thread

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Bring back team threads, I say. Too many threads on here are 90% Man Utd fans arguing about the same points over and over again. It's boring and ruins threads for other fans.
 
Here's a radical though: if you have a topic to discuss, why not start a thread?

I really, really loathe super-threads, where everything gets dumped in one place. If I want to read about Rangers' tax case, for instance, I don't want to have to piece it together from different SPL threads, or have to wade through yet another Old Firm slanging match that would result if there was a "STARSTARSTAR OFFICIAL RANGERS" thread. Having a thread, like we do currently, is perfect, because I can look into it, read the latest news, and talk about it, without having to get involved with everything else that comes with the club.

The system works, largely.

The official threads have largely ruined the games forum, for me. Leave this place out of it.
 
The thing is how on earth can you talk about someone like Wenger without discussing the whole Arsenal set-up - his transfer philosophy, playing style etc etc is instrumental in how the whole club is run. It'd be the same thing if Ferguson announced his retirement which would quite rightly deserve a thread of it's own but quite how you are supposed to discuss a replacement without looking at just about every aspect of the Man Utd setup is beyond me.

Personally I would allow club threads but just use a bit of common sense - keep recent discussion of specific matches within the live match thread, keep the transfer window threads for transfers discussion and use the club threads for discussions of background politics and finances, 'off-topic' talk, managerial changes and other such rumours.

The Banter thread is useful I suppose but by nature is it largely irreverent discussion as opposed to a 'serious' discussion of the non-playing side of football clubs - maybe as Baz suggests a thread to bundle together all the 'non-playing' aspect of discussion might be in order?

Or alternatively, just keep it all the same and endure the complaints every now and then when threads enter the somewhat grey area between a 'club thread' and 'talking about a key development at a club without just talking about the club' thread :D
 
Are we really still talking about Wenger when we play "rate our squad/wages" though? I don't think we are. I mean, I don't think there's anyone left in here who is actively arguing for Wenger in there, and yet it rumbles on. It's just become a communal love-in for DM to say "I TOLD YOU SO" and everyone else to say how **** we are. Well done, what do we learn? Nothing.

Oh, and the Banter thread is lame too. I don't really see why a new thread for a funny youtube video/picture is really that terrible. They will inevitably drop off the first page of the forum anyway. But at least I don't feel like I'm missing much if I choose not to scroll past twenty "lol" posts to see if anything new has been added.
 
Weebull said:
Oh, and the Banter thread is lame too.
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I'm not a big fan of that either tbh but it does keep some of the minor stuff in one place, the idea of no club threads is to encourage discussion and involvement and after it was introduced things improved dramatically
 
Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with the idea of a general football talking thread, so a general English football thread (could have a general thread for other countries or European / World football) along side weekend threads, European threads and 'breaking' news threads or if there is a specific discussion to be had.

Club threads are often more trouble then they're worth and do ruin good football debate as people will stay within their club threads.
 
The majority of people who have posted in this thread have said they would like to be allowed to create club specific threads. Therefore we definitely won't be having club specific threads... :p
 
Tummy said:
Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with the idea of a general football talking thread, so a general English football thread (could have a general thread for other countries or European / World football) along side weekend threads, European threads and 'breaking' news threads or if there is a specific discussion to be had.

Club threads are often more trouble then they're worth and do ruin good football debate as people will stay within their club threads.
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That sounds far too complicated in my opinion. If you started creating additional 'general talk' style threads for other leagues/countries then they'd quickly become a ghost town, with the Premier League thread probably being the only one ever getting any use. The system of a banter thread for all general chat, a weekend football thread for the weekend matches and then a transfer thread for transfer talk already works but I think the rule on club threads should be far more relaxed.

The Wenger thread seemed to be closed for no reason whatsoever. As others have already said you can't talk about Wenger and any potential replacement without discussing the other aspects of Arsenal. So to close it on the basis that it was becoming an Arsenal only thread is a bit silly.
 
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The Wenger thread seemed to be closed for no reason whatsoever. As others have already said you can't talk about Wenger and any potential replacement without discussing the other aspects of Arsenal. So to close it on the basis that it was becoming an Arsenal only thread is a bit silly.
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It was a thread to discuss whether Wenger should be sacked, not to discuss how much each member of your squad earned nor to discuss certain posters football manager transfer plans.

There's obviously going to be an element of discussion of Arsenal in general when debating whether Wenger should be sacked but that general point of that thread was no longer about sacking Wenger or not.
 
BaZ87 said:
It was a thread to discuss whether Wenger should be sacked, not to discuss how much each member of your squad earned nor to discuss certain posters football manager transfer plans.

There's obviously going to be an element of discussion of Arsenal in general when debating whether Wenger should be sacked but that general point of that thread was no longer about sacking Wenger or not.
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If it did breach the rules it still had a lot of replies and a lot of views. Surely threads which generate a bit of traffic, interest and discussion are the types of threads that we should be encouraging? Not locking up because of a 5 year old rule.
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
If it did breach the rules it still had a lot of replies and a lot of views. Surely threads which generate a bit of traffic, interest and discussion are the types of threads that we should be encouraging? Not locking up because of a 5 year old rule.
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That's a different to what you first said. It wasn't closed for no reason. It was closed because it breached the rules (whether we agree with the rule or not). And contrary to what you said, you can discuss whether Wenger should be sacked without discussing everything Arsenal related in one thread. Unfortunately some people took the thread completely off topic; we had the same problem with the Hodgson thread last season.

I'm not fussed either way over club threads however the reasons why they were banned were valid. If a Liverpool supporter wrote in the Utd thread (and vice versa) it was responded to with some sort of "get out of our thread" post from a Utd fan. Spoilers threads were also being ignored and people were complaining about not wanting to go through pages of general Liverpool (for example) discussion to get to one specific Liverpool topic.

It would be nice to have somewhere to discuss smaller details about clubs however they weren't (and most likely wouldn't be if allowed again) used to just discuss small topics. They were used to discuss everything from match day talk, to transfers and whatever else.

I think we've got the best compromise as it is. Smaller topics can go in the banter thread and if they develop enough to warrant their own thread then one can be started.
 
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Tummy said:
Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with the idea of a general football talking thread.
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It's a football forum! Why do you need a general football thread when you have a general football forum? Again, as I said before:
Weebull said:
Here's a radical thought: if you have a topic to discuss, why not start a thread?
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I've never heard an actual reason why people feel the need to group things together so much on here, other than some strange desire for neatness. It's not that busy a forum that things would get lost, so spread it out a bit, don't just make a collection of insular 20-page threads that no-one wants to tackle if they're new.
 
I agree with Tummy, it's fine having one thread for little things that are only going to get a few replies, then individual threads for bigger stuff like Tevez/Terry etc.
 
Club threads are needed imo, there's plenty of small things I'd like to discuss about Arsenal, with Arsenal fans, that just isn't appropriate for other threads so I just end up not bothering

I don't think other threads will suffer really. I actually post less than I'd like because there aren't any club threads ..
 
tbh the previous Wenger thread had reached it's natural end, we all know the majority of Arsenal fans now want Wenger gone and that's not going to change between now and the end of the season. Keeping it open only allowed jonnywhatshisname to bump it after every game Arsenal lost and for him to try and convince everyone that he's always wanted Wenger gone
 
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