Wengers time up?

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I've always found it odd that consistency seems to have become a dirty word when used in connection with Arsene and Arsenal.

What would Liverpool, Everton, Tottenham etc give to have been as consistent in the last ten years?

It comes down to expectations. If fans want Arsene out because we aren't winning the league (which is the only reason really) then we are deluding ourselves to think another manager will give us that. Only 5 teams have won the PL since its inception, one of those us. Now more than ever, the PL is bought (this season being a freak).

If fans want Wenger out because he doesn't play the players or formation they want, because Ozil sometimes doesn't put the effort in, because we always seem to have a bad period during the season, because he substituted Campbell for Walcott. Go and support any other team for a season and you'll find the exact same thing.
 
B1gbeard said:
I've always found it odd that consistency seems to have become a dirty word when used in connection with Arsene and Arsenal.

What would Liverpool, Everton, Tottenham etc give to have been as consistent in the last ten years?

It comes down to expectations. If fans want Arsene out because we aren't winning the league (which is the only reason really) then we are deluding ourselves to think another manager will give us that. Only 5 teams have won the PL since its inception, one of those us. Now more than ever, the PL is bought (this season being a freak).

If fans want Wenger out because he doesn't play the players or formation they want, because Ozil sometimes doesn't put the effort in, because we always seem to have a bad period during the season, because he substituted Campbell for Walcott. Go and support any other team for a season and you'll find the exact same thing.
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10 out of 10.. Would read again! :D

I want Wenger to stay!

Could things be better? Sure! But things could get much worse if we sack him.

Hopefully we will get a top ST and CB this summer which will go a long way to fixing the team.
 
The board will just want to continue with stability and a top four finish, add his stubbornness and he'll be there to the end of his contract. There is no point in upsetting the apple cart when you have a year to choose a successor.
 
Yet another reason he shouldn't be manager was his reaction to Ozil. I'm surprised that Martinez gets grief for getting a bit angry with what Baines supposedly said, but no one cared that Wenger had a pop at Ozil.

Ozil basically said we threw away the title and Wenger came out saying he was disappointed and prattled on about having to believe, if you believe you can win anything. It sums up Wenger's past decade. He believes Walcott can be a truly top player so rather than face reality, he persists with a player who shouldn't even be at a premiership team and fails to replace him.

Wenger's "believe you can win regardless of actually quality" mentality is the precise reason Arsenal do not improve every year. If you as players believe you can win.... you are good enough, trying harder is not required, improving is not required, if boss man convinces you this team playing this way can win why would you improve. Arsenal are the only team in existence who struggle to maintain the level they are at.

Why do we invariably screw up half of the season.... because the team is built on belief rather than quality, talent and mental strength. Any other manager would have let Walcott go years ago. What Poch brought to Spurs is what Arsenal need and what I've said for years we need, objectivity. We need a fresh manager with no random unexplainable belief in Walcott to come in, assess him over a few training sessions then show him the freaking door. Wenger has become a sentimental old fool who sticks with players 5 years longer than he should. He's lost absolutely all objectivity in the squad.

A great manager would have backed up Ozil, say the title is gone, work out how we threw it away and objectively make changes to the team to not do the same next year. But Wenger called out Ozil, thought will still had a shot and will do absolutely nothing to find out why and how we failed and fix it.
 
i forgot to mention another reason why wenger is not a good manager anymore.

When Ozil said that the team blew there title hopes, Wenger went on to criticise Ozil instead of actually agreeing with him or not bother commenting on it.

What will wenger say now today after the dreadful draw against West Ham and Leicester and Spurs winning?

He still thinks we can win it? lol

A better manager would admin we blew it and work on why we blew it and try to rectify those mistakes in the next season. But the exact same mistakes have happened over and over again for the last 10 years which are:

Lack of leadership
Always 2-3 players short at the start of a season(be it a new DM, GK, striker etc)
Lack of talent
Lack of strength
Afraid to sell and drop medicore players.


List can go on to be fair.

Think about it, if your boss tells you what your doing is fine and we will succed, why would you improve and up your game? Its the same here with Arsenal players. They think at present they can walk all over most of the Premier league sides. Thats how over the course of the second half of this season, the team has shown lack of effort because they think they can just turn up and thats it.

Wenger has to go. His had 10 chances to fix the problems.
 
A) Sadly Wenger will run through his contract and will be the same ol story next season (in fact it'll probably be worse with big managers coming in and teams wanting to bounce back). So his final season will be his worst :(

B) Who replaces him who people would be happy with? At the time Wenger was a complete unknown.
 
Is there really an alternative available that would guarantee you a top-four finish each season?
 
Realistically.....no one knows nowadays.
The last 3-4 seasons has proven that, with Moyes, Martinez, Mourinho, LVG etc
Klopp was my favourite for the position but we wasted our chance and now he's at Liverpool. Never thought (or overly wanted) Pep would make it to our club, he likes big budgets.
Martin Schmidt as a relative unknown option maybe?
Obviously everyone/club would like Simone, again he's pretty committed to Athletico, and why blame him, doing a phenomenal job over there.
 
I don't understand why Arsenal fans are so upset. This season should be the first time that they finish above all of Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool and Man City in over ten years. :p
 
I can understand the frustration, nobody wants to see their club stagnating. First of all it was the stadium taking up money, people reassured them that after it was completed things would improve. But Arsenal have just been finishing top four each season, there's no real "progress" and watching teams like Spurs and Leicester is frustrating.

But then Wenger could be swapped out and they end up like United or Chelsea, going backwards. Then CL football goes and it gets that much harder to finance or attract top players.
 
I would like them to take the gamble, if it gets worse so be it. At the moment its being like stuck in limbo where nothing changes.
 
CliffyG said:
I would like them to take the gamble, if it gets worse so be it. At the moment its being like stuck in limbo where nothing changes.
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This has been my deal for the past 5 years, at least.

The first few years one, I wasn't entirely convinced old Wenger was dead, we were only a few years out from 2005 and he deserved more time than the average manager and we weren't terrible even though back then we had the same problems as today.

But this is why I really don't enjoy Arsenal wins, because nothing has changed in so long it's obviously not going to change under Wenger. Fans get excited because we win a few games oblivious to why and how we will throw it away. We win two games but I know we'll screw up when the pressure is on in exactly the same way. It's just depressing. It's so completely inevitable. Some fans at xmas were like "arsenal are top, we can win the league", but the only thing I saw was the 100% certain, completely inevitable throwing it away... again.

I don't care if we get worse, but trying to get better and not playing exactly the same football in exactly the same way with exactly the same faults every single season is incredibly close to unwatchable.

That is before you get into individuals like Walcott, it's pretty galling to watch him play and get 40k a week or whatever he started on, but then a raise to 60k, then 100k, then 140k.... all when the initial 40k was WAY too much for a player of his lack of ability. As someone who spent a lot on tickets going to Arsenal and being ripped off more than any other prem league team, basically any team in europe, it's like a kick in the teeth when Walcott gets yet another raise for being inept.
 
CliffyG said:
I would like them to take the gamble, if it gets worse so be it. At the moment its being like stuck in limbo where nothing changes.
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Pretty much this. I'd rather the chance of winning or coming 6-7th, rather than knowing 4th and an early Champs league exit is on the cards.
It's almost like clockwork, Feb & March we are out of everything every year.
 
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