Wengers time up?
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after we flopped after the Leicster game.
they diddnt show effort on half the games they played.
We are miles away from Lecister.
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So... Wenger out then?
yea and i am not changing my mind ever. im firmly in the DM camp.
Definitely mind games, which Wenger has never got over. Can't even remember the last time Wenger has beaten a Mourinho led Chelsea side.
I didn't quote the earlier part of your post but I don't think it's fair to blame fans for not getting behind the team. I think for the past 12 yrs we have been behind Wenger and Arsenal fully
. But now with seemingly no financial restrictions, we still can't win that title. The title that this year, a relegation bound Leicester from last year easily won it when it should have been us...seeing as city were flopping, Chelsea doing a superb job of trying to get relegated and Utd?? Well less said about them the better lol. Still can't get over the fact that we dealt Leicester 2 defeats but ultimately they beat us to the title. I'll say that it started going wrong around xmas time, but then it always goes wrong every xmas for the past couple of yrs lol. All those silly draws, dropped points against teams we should have nailed to the floor ultimately cost us another title.
Even tho I'm sorely disappointed by this season, I'll never stop supporting Arsenal. Just would like to see Wenger bow out with another title to his name, it's what he deserves for being such a loyal servant to the club.
Well he's not going to be sacked and rightly so. I think he's earned the right to bow out with grace when his contract is up next year. I'd love him to stay but maybe he won't, all depends on how he feels. He's nearly 70 i think, remarkable. The most important thing is to not have a repeat of this year with banners going up with so much still to play for, it doesn't do anyone any good.
That's because it never actually happened in a competitive game. Ever.
Unless you count the charity shield.
Isn't this joke not too old from 2002?
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Good god man, people use different numbers in different contexts, I've never changed my mind on this and you saying I do shows your utter lack of ability to either have a sensible conversation or just basically read. When you ran away with the wrong end of the stick as always last time it was explained exactly to you what the different time frames mean.
10 years, how long I believe Wenger has played non winning football with Arsenal.
5 years, how long I've wanted him out. I thought he was bad from before this but I was willing to give him time considering his previous performance to either improve or leave on his own.
2-3 years, how long the fans have actually started being a bit more vocal about the problems rather than constantly coming out in full support of him.
These are different things and none of them are changing my mind, it's your inability to see the different context they are used in.
Arsenal won 2 FA cups, woo. At some point maybe mid-ish 00s top teams all gave up on the league cup because 4 cups plus a strong european campaign was becoming incredibly difficult. League cup went to the back burner. In the past 3 years Chelsea were winning in europe and struggling for league position. City had won the league title but struggled to even get out of the group stage in europe or into the latter knockout stages, Utd went from champions to 7th and struggled ever since in a rebuilding phase. Liverpool were rebuilding after a single league title challenge.
We won the FA cup because in the past 3 years all those other teams put the FA cup on equal footing with the league cup in importance, they had bigger targets at least for the short term. There is a reason Wigan, Hull and Villa made it to finals in recent years and City, Chelsea, Utd, Liverpool have all been absent over that period. We won the cup everyone else gave up on... wooo, what an accolade.
Your explanation of why Arsenal dropped off fails to take into account Arsenal's mentality and results from previous years, where the same thing happened over and over. Every single season we screw up enough under pressure to not win the title in one of two ways. They either start to believe this is their year at the start, have a terrible first 1/3rd of the season then when the title is comfortably out of reach go on a good run of form while not under pressure or do okay till Feb, have a real chance to do well, start being talked about as potential winners and flop.
This years performance is far from unprecedented, it was predictable... more importantly it was predicted by many people. Same thing every year, blame the little difference this year, makes perfect sense. Also Arsenal's worst months were Jan/Feb and the fans got on their backs in the past couple months when form has been better.... since btw we basically went out of the title race which both was predictable and predicted by many.
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As you love correcting people, we have won things with him recently, this is the first year without anything in a few years. So we have further chances of winning with him
Wenger is a senile old failure who needs to be bussed off to the retirement home where he can spend the rest of his life sitting in the communal TV room with the rest of his urine stinking decrepit mates watching Spurs and West Ham outperform Arsenal every season
Well all I'm seeing is a spectacular fall from grace for him if we continue to keep playing for our beloved top 4 trophy every season
. I'd love to see him call it a day after winning the title but honestly it didn't happen this season so I just can't see it happening even next season. Tactically I think he is past it, especially against lower teams than us. Injuries always seem to put a stop to our title chances every season.
I do wonder that if Cazorla and Coquelin hadn't got injured and out for a long period, if we would have won the title. Personally I think losing Cazorla was the biggest miss of our season especially around xmas.
Lol true, charity shield doesn't count for anything. There is no 3 pts etc so that for me is a useless exercise in all honesty.
Tbh this season when Chelsea and Mou were going their free fall, we should have beaten them but nope couldn't manage to beat a poor disjointed Chelsea side. Whereas teams like Bournemouth were beating them at the bridge lol.
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So you want him to stay so he continues to better spurs and Westham for another 20 years?
Well to be fair to him, West Ham haven't really out performed us, we are still ahead of them and for them I think it's a case of 'new manager' syndrome. Let's see how they get on next season.
As for Spurs?? It's only been this season they have managed the minor miracle of being ahead of us in the league. Been what?? 20 odd yrs since they last finished above us. But the season isn't over yet so we shall see if they do end up ahead of us. If they do then they deserve it as they have been far more consistent than us. Still haven't beaten us this season though, 2 draws iirc.
But then if you were to make a first eleven out of Arsenal and Spurs there would be more Spurs players in it I'd say. Arsenals squad is full of overpaid, mediocre players either cruising on past performances or previously having pace and little else.
In fact:
Lloris
Bellerin
Vertonghen
Koscielny
Walker
Sanchez
Eriksen
Alli
Ozil (on his good days! Lamela possibly)
Kane
Welbeck (not much choice and I'm not picking Giroud)
6/5 to Spurs but if you take Lamela that makes it 7/4. For the money Arsene has spent and Arsenal are paying in wages that ratio should be much higher in Arsenals favour.
In fact:
Lloris
Bellerin
Vertonghen
Koscielny
Walker
Sanchez
Eriksen
Alli
Ozil (on his good days! Lamela possibly)
Kane
Welbeck (not much choice and I'm not picking Giroud)
6/5 to Spurs but if you take Lamela that makes it 7/4. For the money Arsene has spent and Arsenal are paying in wages that ratio should be much higher in Arsenals favour.
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Odd choices, you forgot a central midfield, Arsenal have say Ramsey/elneny at the moment, Spurs have Dier/Dembele. Realistically make that Dier/Alli and put Sanchez in with Eriksen and Lamela. Lamela is crucial, he works crazy hard closing down high up the pitch, something Ozil lacks doing, he jogs slowly towards people and almost never wins the ball.
Defensively Alde is probably the best CB in the league this year, you could question if it should be Vert or Kos alongside him but considering Kos makes big mistakes and the Spurs partnership works I'd pretty much stick with that.
Lloris, Bellerin, Alde, Vert, Rose, Alli, Dier, Sanchez, Eriksen, Lamela, Kane.
Worse still is most of the Spurs team is young and has 5+ years ahead of them. Arsenal's spine needs replacing soon, both CBs, GK, Monreal, Giroud, Cazorla are all in their last couple years max though really Mert and Giroud need to go now anyway. That Spurs team and specifically the spine of the team has 5+ years then it needs maybe the keeper and 1 CB changed. They play a better system, are vastly fitter and I think could easily go further i europe with the style they play and fitness they have.
Arsenal, Ox got a knee injury in Feb, came back to training and has now hurt his knee again and will be out for a further two months. Somehow every single major injury at Arsenal turns into a **** fest of relapses and problems getting back to the first team. Every single time, there is mismanagement happening here, it's been obvious for a decade and somehow still nothing changes. This is quite aside from the fact Ox is **** and hasn't improved at all since the day he joined. I look forward to a decade out of him being overpaid to underperform and be injured a lot if Wenger stays.
Defensively Alde is probably the best CB in the league this year, you could question if it should be Vert or Kos alongside him but considering Kos makes big mistakes and the Spurs partnership works I'd pretty much stick with that.
Lloris, Bellerin, Alde, Vert, Rose, Alli, Dier, Sanchez, Eriksen, Lamela, Kane.
Worse still is most of the Spurs team is young and has 5+ years ahead of them. Arsenal's spine needs replacing soon, both CBs, GK, Monreal, Giroud, Cazorla are all in their last couple years max though really Mert and Giroud need to go now anyway. That Spurs team and specifically the spine of the team has 5+ years then it needs maybe the keeper and 1 CB changed. They play a better system, are vastly fitter and I think could easily go further i europe with the style they play and fitness they have.
Arsenal, Ox got a knee injury in Feb, came back to training and has now hurt his knee again and will be out for a further two months. Somehow every single major injury at Arsenal turns into a **** fest of relapses and problems getting back to the first team. Every single time, there is mismanagement happening here, it's been obvious for a decade and somehow still nothing changes. This is quite aside from the fact Ox is **** and hasn't improved at all since the day he joined. I look forward to a decade out of him being overpaid to underperform and be injured a lot if Wenger stays.
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Yea but you're now changing the context and i'm not sure what you mean by i can't have a sensible conversation. I've asked you several questions over the last few pages yet you didn't respond.
Do you think Kroenke is taking just 3m out the club?
You say 10 years is the time that Arsenal have played non winning football.
So in 2006, Arsenal got the champions league final, they didn't win anything that year. In the subsequent years, the results were as follows...
06/07 PL - 4th, CL - last 16
07/08 PL - 3rd, CL - QF
08/09 PL - 4th, CL - SF
09/10 PL - 3rd, CL - QF
OK, so that's 5 years including the Champions league final of not winning anything. Wenger has been manager for 20 years now and delivered 3 league titles.
How many league titles in the previous 20 years did Arsenal win? 2 isn't it. And that 3rd one is all the way back in 1970.
And is that non winning football to you?
Shall we now look at the European football record and see how Wenger has surpassed all previous records?
Well done Wenger. Sign him up for another 3 years I say
We need to retain Ozil and Sanchez, rid Walcott and Ox and get world class ST, CDM and CB = Great Success
Oh no you didn't....
Dog.... bone!
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I remember when Charlton fans whined "Alan Curbishley has taken us as far as he can, we need a fresh approach".
Look where Charlton are now, be careful what you wish for.
Look where Charlton are now, be careful what you wish for.
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