Bugger there goes that idea then.
Wengers time up?
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Bugger there goes that idea then.
Considering Wenger has complete control over every aspect of the club (apparently) do you really truly believe he will have no say in his replacement?
Nah PUMA don't make a coat big enough for Santa, imagine zipgate with a belly so rotund.
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It's a bright young talented squad? because we have Bellerin and Iwobi?
Worse still is comparing to Spurs and the oldest players. Lloris is 29, Vorm is the only player over 30. Arsenal have Rosicky 35(how on earth is he still at Arsenal, I actually didn't realise he was that old), Arteta 34, Cech 33, Flamini 32, Mert 31, Cazorla 31, Kos 30, Monreal 30, Giroud 29, Ospina 27, Walcott, Sanchez and Ozil all 27.
Spurs have 13 players under 25, Mason, Eriksen, Lamela, Carroll, Son, Wimmer, Davies, Kane, N'jie, Dier, bentaleb, Alli and Onomah.You have 6 first team starters who have been brilliant this season, 4/5 rotation players who have been fit and available and helped the team out and 2 who have basically not played.
Arsenal have 10(I left out Macy, back up keeper) players under 25, Coquelin, Wilshere, Jenks, Campbell, Elneny, Ox, Chambers, bellerin, Gnabry and Iwobi. Two can be considered first team, Coq and Bellerin, 2 are on loan considered not at all good enough, Ox/Chambers are a joke in the majority of their performances, Wilshere is brilliant but a perma crock unfortunately. Campbell is used in rotation though has been excellent. That leaves Iwobi and Elneny, both look promising but neither has played enough games to comment on their consistency, form over time, etc. Iwobi does look insanely impressive though.
Even if you inclue Coq, Bellerin, Iwobi and Elneny that is 4 starters compared to Spurs 6, and our 'back up' rotation players basically amounts to Campbell while Spurs had a further 5 players who have given solid performances and helped them rest/rotate the team properly.
I think calling Arsenal's squad young and talented is insane. Spurs oldest defender is 28 and Wimmer at 23 has covered for him brilliantly. Arsenal have one player under 30 in the defence, he's wanted by bigger clubs and basically all our rotation/backup/younger defenders are crap. New manager basically needs to rebuild our defence, probably get a new keeper as well, replace almost every rotation/back up midfielder, replace the strikers(Walcott, Giroud definitely have to go, Welbeck if we can find anyone to take him). Bellerin if he doesn't go to Barca, Iwobi, Elneny, Coq, Campbell, Sanchez and Ozil are literally the only players I can see being at Arsenal 4 or maybe 5 years from now who I'd want to be first team and who would be fit enough to do so.
With Spurs the only player I don't think could be playing for them 5 years from now is Vorm, the back up keeper. Every other first team member is young enough, good enough and fit enough to be expected to be still be playing in 5 years.
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Monreal is 30? wtf
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Yup, tbh I'm more surprised by Rosicky and I don't have a clue why I'm surprised. I guess we just don't see him play plus he's kinda got that baby face thing going on. I wouldn't have given him his last contract had he been 28 with his injury record, I just can't believe Wenger still has him around. He's either injured or he refuses to play him and at his age his injury proneness wasn't going to improve was it.
A large portion of the spine of our team will be gone in 2 or 3 years, as in I think that is the sell by date on a lot of the players, that several of them aren't actually good enough anyway means most of them need replacing sooner than that. Mert, Giroud the most obvious ones that need replacements asap.
A large portion of the spine of our team will be gone in 2 or 3 years, as in I think that is the sell by date on a lot of the players, that several of them aren't actually good enough anyway means most of them need replacing sooner than that. Mert, Giroud the most obvious ones that need replacements asap.
Should Klopp of told his players at 1/2 time that we have blown our chance and to take it easy in the second half?
Should Rafa have done the same in Istanbul?
Should Danny Willet have thrown in the towel when he was 5-6 shots behind Spieth with only a handful of holes remaining?
Should Real have thrown in the towel when they were 11 points behind Barca a few weeks ago?
Ozil was completely wrong to say what he said publicly. There are no certainties in sport.
No problem for me. There is more to football for me than just winning the league. Trophies are just a bonus.
It is obvious wenger won't be there for too much more longer now. But he has done a lot for our club and treating him like that for what, finishing top 4 again? Would understand if we was towards the bottom of the league or something.
Look at Liverpool or Manchester United. Rather stick with Wenger
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No problem for me. There is more to football for me than just winning the league. Trophies are just a bonus.
It is obvious wenger won't be there for too much more longer now. But he has done a lot for our club and treating him like that for what, finishing top 4 again? Would understand if we was towards the bottom of the league or something.
Look at Liverpool or Manchester United. Rather stick with Wenger
See this attitude I don't understand...his first 10 years fair enough, however the last 9 have been dire. The top four every season argument really winds me up...we don't do anything in the Champion League, it's a waste of time. The only benefit it brings is the money that we don't spend.
We won't win the league under Wenger so why do we keep him? Nostalgia essentially which is utterly stupid. It's a club that should be challenging for the title every year, not fighting for 4th!
What was Ian Wright on about tonight, complaining sections of Arsenal fans chanting that Wenger would be dead in May? He had a few moans about both sides of the argument but mainly the complete lack of respect and dignity the fans have shown with chants like that.
I agree it's time to go but if that's the most respect they can show for such a servant to the club, wow.
I agree it's time to go but if that's the most respect they can show for such a servant to the club, wow.
Yea. It just screams get a life. Got to be something wrong somewhere to think such a thing, let alone to say it.
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Hopefully we're be second in the league this time round!
The problem with Arsenal is the board is happy to maintain the current position of scraping into the champions league at the minimal cost and collecting the cheque. It won't be any different under a new boss, well they'd probably end up in the same position as Man Utd.
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We're spending 190mil or so in wages this year to be in the top 4 but have no chance of winning. Spurs are spending 100mil to do the same this year but even when they finish outside of the CL, does it make financial sense to spend that much more than Spurs to get into the CL to make a small portion of that back? Arsenal will have made, well 12mil for qualifying for group stage, 1.5mil for each win, 1mil for each draw and 5.5mil for qualifying for the round of 16... and that is euros. Without checking exactly that is lets say 18mil pounds from being in the CL, another call it 10mil from stadium income... and we've been spending 50+mil more than Spurs to achieve that over the past decade, currently way more than 50mil more though the gap will likely shrink in the next few years.
There isn't a particularly big financial gain from spending 50-80mil more than your competitors to make 20-40mil from being in the CL.
Arsenal spend heavily, we spend it in wages on the crap like Walcott rather than transfers like other clubs but our spending has increased massively since the stadium move. Also this extra money is being left inside the club in a bank account untouched except when Wenger feels a big buy is required to keep the fans onside. Don't forget we bought Ozil not because we suddenly had money but because Wenger was getting massive pressure to actually spend the money the fans are responsible for Arsenal having. We failed again, were poor again and Wenger was pushed into buying big and was offered Ozil from a club looking to get shot of him.
If the owners only cared about finances we'd have a far smaller wage bill and most of the money in our cash account would be cleared out. The owners want to win and have blind faith in Wenger. Wenger has a mentality that overspending on transfers is bad and unsustainable and he doesn't want to win the league that way, nothing more or less. We don't spend because Wenger thinks it's like cheating, because he can't adapt to the times and wants to win the 'perfect' way, though his version of perfect is just something he randomly came up with in his head and he's failing badly at it.
So are you saying you'd prefer to come 5th and spend like 120m on wages? rather than play in Europe and spend like 190m?
why do you leave out other big clubs wage bills like we're the only one paying that amount.
Here's the wage bill for you.
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/english-premier-league-wage-bills-club-by-club/
Youre deluded if you think the boardroom don't play a factor in the disposable income of the club. I suppose this has nothing to do with it either..
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erincar...as-ranch-listed-for-725-million/#7e4ff04562c8
Kroenke's been raking the money from Arsenal over the years.
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Why are you asking why I left out the big teams wages? They weren't relevant to my point. Why are you asking if I'd prefer to come 5th, it's not relevant to my point.
What is the second link for at all, it's got nothing to do with anything. Where did I say the boardroom don't play a factor in disposable income?
Kronke buying things means he has money, are you attempting to suggest he's taken $725million out of the club by linking to that story? If not then you presumably realise Kronke has money of his own, so why are you presuming the story has any relevance. Can you actually give figures for what Kronke has taken out of the club backed up by the legally binding financial records... which incidentally prove he has in no way raked in money from Arsenal over the years. He pays himself like a £3mil a year wage from the club, he hasn't taken a single large chunk of cash out of the club and the books show he's never taken a large sum of cash out of the club.
Rich people spend big money, that doesn't mean every single one of the businesses they own were skimmed of all their cash for them to do so.
Here's a hint, someone made a post about the board being happy with current spending and the financial rewards with being in 4th place in the CL. I posted specifically regarding this point, I didn't mention competition with those above us, their wages are irrelevant, though those above us now includes Spurs and Leicester... by the same token why didn't you mention their wage spend. There is literally no financially reward involved in spending 70-80mil to 'gain' 20-40mil from the CL. Spending more to gain less is not a financial incentive. Spending 100mil and making 20-30mil less from the CL would leave this squad more profitable in 5th place. The CL to Arsenal was worth around 22mil euros this year, people bang on about 40-50mil from the CL, this is the maximum you can get if you win it. You make more from the final three rounds than the group stage and the first knock out round. The absolute maximum you could win this year was 56mil from the CL... Arsenal haven't got over 25mil in the CL in years now yet we've increased wage spend over 50mil in the time that we've failed to get any further in the CL and even if we won it, the increased winnings from the CL would not offset that spending.
I didn't anywhere suggest the boardroom plays no factor in disposable income, but if you were able to read the financial records... the publicly available published every year, risk of imprisonment for falsifying financial records, you would see the board don't take money out of the club, they leave it in there to be spent. Wenger has over the years over and over stated that he doesn't like to spend, that winning it right is important, he's said it much less recently but the sentiment behind his style of management was clear for years. The board have always said money is available, at the same time the money is shown on Arsenal's books, at the same time Arsenal's wage bill rose 100million bringing zero financial benefit in doing so. Clubs that don't allow their managers to spend and want to take all the profits out of a club..... actually don't allow their manage to spend and actually do take all the profits out of the club.
What is the second link for at all, it's got nothing to do with anything. Where did I say the boardroom don't play a factor in disposable income?
Kronke buying things means he has money, are you attempting to suggest he's taken $725million out of the club by linking to that story? If not then you presumably realise Kronke has money of his own, so why are you presuming the story has any relevance. Can you actually give figures for what Kronke has taken out of the club backed up by the legally binding financial records... which incidentally prove he has in no way raked in money from Arsenal over the years. He pays himself like a £3mil a year wage from the club, he hasn't taken a single large chunk of cash out of the club and the books show he's never taken a large sum of cash out of the club.
Rich people spend big money, that doesn't mean every single one of the businesses they own were skimmed of all their cash for them to do so.
Here's a hint, someone made a post about the board being happy with current spending and the financial rewards with being in 4th place in the CL. I posted specifically regarding this point, I didn't mention competition with those above us, their wages are irrelevant, though those above us now includes Spurs and Leicester... by the same token why didn't you mention their wage spend. There is literally no financially reward involved in spending 70-80mil to 'gain' 20-40mil from the CL. Spending more to gain less is not a financial incentive. Spending 100mil and making 20-30mil less from the CL would leave this squad more profitable in 5th place. The CL to Arsenal was worth around 22mil euros this year, people bang on about 40-50mil from the CL, this is the maximum you can get if you win it. You make more from the final three rounds than the group stage and the first knock out round. The absolute maximum you could win this year was 56mil from the CL... Arsenal haven't got over 25mil in the CL in years now yet we've increased wage spend over 50mil in the time that we've failed to get any further in the CL and even if we won it, the increased winnings from the CL would not offset that spending.
I didn't anywhere suggest the boardroom plays no factor in disposable income, but if you were able to read the financial records... the publicly available published every year, risk of imprisonment for falsifying financial records, you would see the board don't take money out of the club, they leave it in there to be spent. Wenger has over the years over and over stated that he doesn't like to spend, that winning it right is important, he's said it much less recently but the sentiment behind his style of management was clear for years. The board have always said money is available, at the same time the money is shown on Arsenal's books, at the same time Arsenal's wage bill rose 100million bringing zero financial benefit in doing so. Clubs that don't allow their managers to spend and want to take all the profits out of a club..... actually don't allow their manage to spend and actually do take all the profits out of the club.
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So would you prefer to come 5th?
Regarding Kroenke, do you think he's taking 3m out of the club and thats it?
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