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Poll: WengIn or WengOut?
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Arsenals squad is very lightweight with pretty much 0 leaders. Thats fine when the team in is good form, playing well and against weak opposition but as soon as they play a better team they shrink into their shell and no one is there to pick them up. City weren't good yesterday. That was 2nd gear for them. De Bruyne was the least effective I have seen him in a long time. Arsenal were just that bad and gave so few ***** once they were behind that City didn't have to do anything to win. They could have scored a few more if they wanted but they felt so secure that they just played out the rest of the game at a leisurely pace.
Arsenals squad is top 4 material if they don't get injuries and they perform to their ability. The other teams in the top four fight are all better on their off days and grind out the results when it matters. Thats why Arsenal won't make top 4. They haven't got a great squad but more than that they lack fight.
Arsenals squad is top 4 material if they don't get injuries and they perform to their ability. The other teams in the top four fight are all better on their off days and grind out the results when it matters. Thats why Arsenal won't make top 4. They haven't got a great squad but more than that they lack fight.
It's not top 4 quality though. The only Arsenal player that gets into Liverpool's side is Cech and he wouldn't be a big upgrade either. Aubamayang would be cover/competition to Firmino and Ozil & Mhkitaryan would be useful players to have come off the bench but that's about it. It's the same story with Chelsea, Spurs & Utd - you might have the odd player that would get into their first 11's and a couple of hand additions to the squad but there's a clear drop off in quality between Arsenal and 2nd-5th.
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I wouldn't take Mhkitaryan at Liverpool. Unsure about Ozil too, sometimes superb, often anonymous, hardly fits into a Klopp gegenpress.
Would also rather keep Karius and see if he continues to improve rather than an ageing Cech who is in serious decline.
In fact I am struggling to think of a single Arsenal player I would want at Liverpool.
Would also rather keep Karius and see if he continues to improve rather than an ageing Cech who is in serious decline.
In fact I am struggling to think of a single Arsenal player I would want at Liverpool.
Id take Wiltshire if he was fully fit and that's mainly because I like his attitude and think it would suit...he'd be on the bench mind you. Wouldn't bother with anyone else.
I was looking at the here and now. Mhkitaryan and Ozil would be useful squad players as right now we have little to no cover in attack. They're not players I'd ever look to actually sign though. Same story with Cech, right now he'd be a slight upgrade on Karius but again not somebody I'd look for us to sign.
Wilshere's not a terrible player but he's a terrible fit for us. He's not a sitting midfielder and equally he doesn't have the physical side to his game to play in one of our more advanced midfield roles. The physical demands Klopp puts on Ox, Milner, Lallana and Wijnaldum are huge - they don't just play as box to box midfielders but they're also expected to provide cover for the fullbacks when we're defending and also double up as right or left sided midfielders when we're attacking.
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A lack of quality is definitely a factor, but Arsene Wenger is the biggest problem at the moment. On Sky Sports Debate they had a segment comparing the top five or six managers in the prem and they all agreed that Wenger was great when he first arrived at Arsenal, he brought in some pioneering sports science and nutrition concepts, but he's got left behind since then, that he's too stuck in his ways and has struggled to adapt and keep with the times. Of all the big sides I always look at Arsenal as the least likely to mount a fightback in a game if they go behind, they lack resilience and that never-say-die attitude that some of the other teams have, and that's on Wenger as well.
They need someone with the mentality of Klopp or Simeone, a manager who will make his players give absolutely everything, even if in the end it isn't enough to get the result, who can get the best out of the players.
They need someone with the mentality of Klopp or Simeone, a manager who will make his players give absolutely everything, even if in the end it isn't enough to get the result, who can get the best out of the players.
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The thing is, wouldn't Ozil perform a lot better if he had someone next to him that did all the dirty work, if we had a decent defensive midfielder that put a shift in, attacking players like Ozil would be able to do what they do best.
Having a useless player like Xhaka on the field doesn't exactly help.
I don't know, look at Spurs and Liverpools squads and both of them are better than the sum of their parts.
Out of Liverpools squads I would take:
Firmino
Mane
Salah
VVD perhaps but not convinced he is that good yet
Spurs:
Kane
Dele
Erikson
Dembele
Alderweireld
Arsenal:
PEA
Ozil
Mkhitaryan
Wilshere (maybe)
Cazorla (is he still alive?)
Big difference is that the managers at Spurs and Liverpool know how to motivate their players and get the most out of them. Liverpool and Spurs have a set of squad players who would be bang average if you took them out of their current system but they are well drilled and play as a unit at the moment. Arsenal are the same but without an effective system or motivated players.
Out of Liverpools squads I would take:
Firmino
Mane
Salah
VVD perhaps but not convinced he is that good yet
Spurs:
Kane
Dele
Erikson
Dembele
Alderweireld
Arsenal:
PEA
Ozil
Mkhitaryan
Wilshere (maybe)
Cazorla (is he still alive?)
Big difference is that the managers at Spurs and Liverpool know how to motivate their players and get the most out of them. Liverpool and Spurs have a set of squad players who would be bang average if you took them out of their current system but they are well drilled and play as a unit at the moment. Arsenal are the same but without an effective system or motivated players.
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Ughhh social media going nuts over Henry being interested in the Arsenal job.
For the love of god please no. I love Henry, a legend of our club but he has absolutely no managing experience. Ok he’s helping out Belgium iirc but not actually taking charge of the team.
Bit like Giggs and rumours of him taking the Utd managers job. I really really don’t think Henry is the man to help us win trophies.
I’d rather us get another manager in, someone who has experience in management.
God knows who though
Ancelotti could be a shout but he likes money to spend. Either way, the team needs gutting out whether we get a new manager or not.
For the love of god please no. I love Henry, a legend of our club but he has absolutely no managing experience. Ok he’s helping out Belgium iirc but not actually taking charge of the team.
Bit like Giggs and rumours of him taking the Utd managers job. I really really don’t think Henry is the man to help us win trophies.
I’d rather us get another manager in, someone who has experience in management.
God knows who though
Ancelotti could be a shout but he likes money to spend. Either way, the team needs gutting out whether we get a new manager or not.Its absolutely shocking to see just how much the media are hating on Arsenal.
Sure we all know for the past few years we aren’t good enough for a top 4 spot.
But what makes me laugh the most is you don’t see this level of hating on Utd, Liverpool or Chelsea. I’m pretty sure that if they had lost that final, they would be slated but it wouldn’t be on going for the next few days.
Did anyone honestly think we would beat City?? Come on!!! It’s bloody City, a team that is running away with the league and have only suffered one loss all season.
The way arsenal are at the moment, I gave them absolutely no hope of winning.
I could understand if it was say Wigan or a lower league team beating us. That would be unforgivable but it was City and I imagine any team would have struggled to beat them yesterday.
Meh anyhow just find it funny how much hate Arsenal get in the media.
Sure we all know for the past few years we aren’t good enough for a top 4 spot.
But what makes me laugh the most is you don’t see this level of hating on Utd, Liverpool or Chelsea. I’m pretty sure that if they had lost that final, they would be slated but it wouldn’t be on going for the next few days.
Did anyone honestly think we would beat City?? Come on!!! It’s bloody City, a team that is running away with the league and have only suffered one loss all season.
The way arsenal are at the moment, I gave them absolutely no hope of winning.
I could understand if it was say Wigan or a lower league team beating us. That would be unforgivable but it was City and I imagine any team would have struggled to beat them yesterday.
Meh anyhow just find it funny how much hate Arsenal get in the media.
Yes he would but the question then is, do Arsenal benefit from this? Ozil isn't good enough to justify having a side built around him and Arsenal aren't good enough to carry him. The days of attacking players just having the freedom to attack and not have to put a shift in are over, at least they are to anybody that's not peak Ronaldo/Messi anyway. You only have to look at the two best attacking sides in the League and the defensive work their forwards put in to see that. It's not just a defensive issue too but also an offensive one - as I said, look at Liverpool and City, how many goals do they score as a result of their forwards winning the ball high up the pitch? Ozil's a very talented player and when things are going well he's incredibly dangerous but all too often he goes missing and Arsenal suffer because of it.
But Wigan beat city
you did have a couple of chances just didn't take them .Haha yes even if it was Wigan I’d still go and say we wouldn’t win.But Wigan beat city
As for our chances?? Story of Arsenal, not lethal enough in front of goal :/. I remember the days we scored for fun, now it’s a struggle to score goals.
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Your missing the point. This has been the same story under Wenger for about a decade.
There's losing and then there's losing.
No men turned up yesterday. Only mice.
There's no structure, organisation, grit, system, enthusiasm or pride.
The basics are lacking. Those that buy their season tickets etc deserve more that what was on display yesterday.
The need a good kick up the backside.
Look what Mourinho does with Pogba. Dropped if you don't toe the party line.
Look what Birmingham did to us a few years back in the League Cup final (I think). We we're clearly the favourite team but they out muscled us.
Football is the result of an accumulation of decisions. Your not in your position for one or two reasons but for the sum total of what decisions have been taken before.
Even the media are saying the same thing.
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I can't see how Ozil signed a new contract unless he thinks there's going to be some changes at the club soon. All the papers have come out with a story about potential successors this evening, (Ivan Gazidis isn't very subtle is he?) and while they won't get rid of him mid-season, with all the backroom changes it seems it's just a matter of when, not if he goes these days. That's about the only thing to be positive about I suppose. The form in the cups gave some consolation for the slow creep down the league table, but even that's now infected with the same no-show performances. I just hope they do it this summer and not let him see out the last year on his contract, given it's extremely unlikely this season will end as being anything other than the worst one yet under him (srs that away form tho).
The players must be 100% aware of the above, some of the newer signings are apparently amazed at how lacklustre and amateur the training is in terms of match prep... no wonder they look like they have no idea what they're doing or have no idea how to respond when they go behind or are getting outplayed. Does feel like there's some degree of apathy or resignation in the team regarding him, like wishing he'd do something because they like him, but knowing that it's not happening and they have to somehow figure it all out on their own.
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