WestMids - Stop and Search + survey

[The Running Man]

ITT: White guys who have never been 'stop and searched' claiming stop and search isn't that bad!

It is not a question of how inconvenient a single stop and search is. It is a question of how inconvenient it is when it happens to a person several times a year which is the case for a lot of young men from minorities.

Clearly the claim of being stopped 3 times a day is crap, but if it happened to me as little as 3 times a year, I would get ****** off after a while.

I've been pulled over from the police twice pulling out of the pub car park in the evening.

Did they have reasonable suspicion, I.e was I driving recklessly or did I look like a drunk driver? They could never have know because I didnt drive more than 50 feet.

Do I mind or feel persecuted? No because they were doing their job.

 

[Chris Wilson]

This is what happens when even a highest risk level terrorist is not searched (at all) and people naively try and be nice and treat them as normal people able to be rehabilitated - multiple deaths. It's time people accepted that certain ethnicities currently present a higher risk and the priority searching of them must be accepted with good grace due to the fact they are statistically a higher potential threat than others. Why they are statistically at higher risk of carrying and using lethal weapons is irrelevant to the need to be searched if suspicion falls upon them for any reason at all, let alone if they are known terrorist sympathisers.



"There was no security check on the door, not even a rudimentary bag check."

Henry Pitchers QC, Lawyer for family of Saskia Jones

https://www.itv.com/news/london/202...ining-on-terror-offenders-attack-inquest-told

 

[weringo]

It is not a question of how inconvenient a single stop and search is. It is a question of how inconvenient it is when it happens to a person several times a year which is the case for a lot of young men from minorities.

Clearly the claim of being stopped 3 times a day is crap, but if it happened to me as little as 3 times a year, I would get ****** off after a while.

Well said. If I had 5 minutes of my life interrupted 3 times a year I would find another country to live in. In fact I might contemplate whether life was actually worth living.

 

[Skunkworks]

I thought she was too polite with the gobby twerp. Should have just explained once that he fits a descritpion and left it at that.

ITT: White guys who have never been 'stop and searched' claiming stop and search isn't that bad!

It is not a question of how inconvenient a single stop and search is. It is a question of how inconvenient it is when it happens to a person several times a year which is the case for a lot of young men from minorities.

Clearly the claim of being stopped 3 times a day is crap, but if it happened to me as little as 3 times a year, I would get ****** off after a while.

Boo hoo.

 

[stuman]

I thought she was too polite with the gobby twerp. Should have just explained once that he fits a descritpion and left it at that.


Boo hoo.

agree.

also, should question your decision making if you find yourself wandering around in the AM getting questioned by the rozzers on a regular basis because you are in a close proximity to crime.

dont be upset at the police, be upset at the minority of minorities that contribute so heavily to crime stats in those demographics.

 

[Tony Edwards]

I've been pulled over from the police twice pulling out of the pub car park in the evening.

Did they have reasonable suspicion, I.e was I driving recklessly or did I look like a drunk driver? They could never have know because I didnt drive more than 50 feet.

Do I mind or feel persecuted? No because they were doing their job.

Guy coming out of a pub car park gets pulled over for possible drink driving. Is okay with it.

Guy walking down the street gets pulled for being dark skinned. Not the same thing is it really?

I mean we do accept that the guy got the stop and search because of his skin colour?

Ill be honest I havent turned the volume up on the video but I didnt see the suspect struggling that much or making that much of a fuss. But come on? Im searching you because of your dark skin. It is no where near the same ballpark to being pulled over in a car, even not coming out of a pub carpark...

Apart from that Im fairly okay with stop and search as I think it does serve a purpose, but I do think more police on the streets would be much better than just stop and search.

 

[The Running Man]

Guy coming out of a pub car park gets pulled over for possible drink driving. Is okay with it.

Guy walking down the street gets pulled for being dark skinned. Not the same thing is it really?

I mean we do accept that the guy got the stop and search because of his skin colour?

Ill be honest I havent turned the volume up on the video but I didnt see the suspect struggling that much or making that much of a fuss. But come on? Im searching you because of your dark skin. It is no where near the same ballpark to being pulled over in a car, even not coming out of a pub carpark...

Apart from that Im fairly okay with stop and search as I think it does serve a purpose, but I do think more police on the streets would be much better than just stop and search.

Well if the police didn't stop someone who matched the description are they really doing theor job?

Seems like the guy was hostile from the start tbh... like they've explained the purpose, to be fair description was a bit broad: a male with a "dark jacket", "beard" and "asian"

Is it the witnesses fault for giving a vague description too?

You have to draw the line somewhere.

They didnt pick a random person up off the street, but at the same time they can't ignore crime and victims either.

 

[Tony Edwards]

Well if the police didn't stop someone who matched the description are they really doing theor job?



Is it the witnesses fault for giving a vague description too?

You have to draw the line somewhere.

They didnt pick a random person up off the street, but at the same time they can't ignore crime and victims either.

Yeah you missed the crucial part. Coming out of a pub carpark there is high chance of being under the influence. Being black but not actually asian looking like the descrpition is not the same thing. But as I say I still agree with stop and search.

 

[The Running Man]

Yeah you missed the crucial part. Coming out of a pub carpark there is high chance of being under the influence. Being black but not actually asian looking like the descrpition is not the same thing. But as I say I still agree with stop and search.

They didnt let me drive 50 yards to see, it was lights on as soon as I pulled out of the car park entrance/exit.They had no rightful suspicion or evidence of wrong doing. It was a stop by proximity (to a pub). They couldn't prove i had even been in the pub, merely that my car had been parked in the car park.

This guy was walking down the canal, alone at 5 past midnight just up the bank from where a robbery had taken place. Stop and search by proximity and at least a partial match of description of the offender. In the dark the victim might not have been setup to identify fully the ethnicity of the attacker.

There's no proof he wasnt guilty btw, if smart you simply drop the items you stole and walk off , in the dark it would be impossible to tell.

They know this.

 

[Tony Edwards]

They didnt let me drive 50 yards to see, it was lights on as soon as I pulled out of the car park entrance/exit.They had no rightful suspicion or evidence of wrong doing. It was a stop by proximity (to a pub).

This guy was walking down the canal, alone at 5 past midnight just up the bank from where a robbery had taken place. Stop and search by proximity and at least a partial match of description of the offender. In the dark the victim might not have been setup to identify fully the ethnicity of the attacker.

Come on? What do people in pubs do? Did you get pulled because you are white (wild guess at you being white I know) and white people are statisticaly more likely to drink drive? Or was it just becuase of the whole pub and driving connection.

I mean Im not really sure what you think you are arguing about. He most definatly got pulled because he was black. I think what his complaint was is how does he know that they arent just pulling him because he is black which they were actually doing anyway. His complaint was that he thought it might be BS. Did they find anything on him? Was he connected to any crime apart from being black?

As far as he was concerned, as he hadnt commited any crime was that he got stopped and searched because he was black. You got pulled over because you might have been drunk, he got pulled because he was black. Can you see the difference as to why you might not be as unhappy as him about it.

What I love about the diversity of this forum is you have ebay threads and a massive TV licences thread where Ill assume mostly white men talk all big about being rude to people and going round houses and threatening people, yet get upset about someone not being happy about being stopped and searched.

But then you really do have a massive fixation on non white crime so its to be expected from you. I wouldnt be surprised if you drive around saying hes a criminal, hes a criminal all day long.

 

[The Running Man]

Come on? What do people in pubs do? Did you get pulled because you are white (wild guess at you being white I know) and white people are statisticaly more likely to drink drive? Or was it just becuase of the whole pub and driving connection.

I mean Im not really sure what you think you are arguing about. He most definatly got pulled because he was black. I think what his complaint was is how does he know that they arent just pulling him because he is black which they were actually doing anyway. His complaint was that he thought it might be BS. Did they find anything on him? Was he connected to any crime apart from being black?

As far as he was concerned, as he hadnt commited any crime was that he got stopped and searched because he was black. You got pulled over because you might have been drunk, he got pulled because he was black. Can you see the difference as to why you might not be as unhappy as him about it.

What I love about the diversity of this forum is you have ebay threads and a massive TV licences thread where Ill assume mostly white men talk all big about being rude to people and going round houses and threatening people, yet get upset about someone not being happy about being stopped and searched.

But then you really do have a massive fixation on non white crime so its to be expected from you. I wouldnt be surprised if you drive around saying hes a criminal, hes a criminal all day long.

They told him why he got stopped, jacket, beard, appearance and proximity to the crime. If the police lied and had been given the description of white jacket, white guy and they stopped him, I'd say it was wrong but in this instance he was a positive match.

When he said he got stopped 3 times in 3 days, I wonder is that because he was always in the vicinity of a crime being committed and always matched the description.

If I kept getting stopped walking down the canal at night where people are getting robbed I'd probably walk elsewhere but that's just me...

 

[Tony Edwards]

When he said he got stopped 3 times in 3 days, I wonder is that because he was always in the vicinity of a crime being committed and always matched the description.

Or was it just because he is black? This is about what happened not could happen under different curcumstances.

His claim he was stopped multiple times.. don't the police at least a temporary record the details of the person being searched?

If they did then if someone is being wrongly searched multiple times a week or month then that person should become less and less of a suspect... and they could be more easily eliminated by them telling their name early on to see if it matches any of the current details.

I have to say that this is very badly thought out. What do you think should happen here? Should the police be sent out everyday with photos of people not to be stopped? If that was the case I would if I was inclided to commit crime, is get stopped multiple times a week until Im on the list of not to be stopped then Im gonna go on a crime spree.

 

[Tony Edwards]

They told him why he got stopped, jacket, beard, appearance and proximity to the crime. If the police lied and had been given the description of white jacket, white guy and they stopped him, I'd say it was wrong but in this instance he was a positive match.

Im not blaming the police for anything neither am I accussing this of being wrong.

But come on they stop him and tell him they are looking for someone matching his description as if they couldnt possibly be making it up and he asked for proof. I mean they could see what he was wearing when they pulled him.

Its not like they had a print out of the suspect to show him as proof of what they were saying. They could easily have been making it up.

I dont really get what peoples problem is here It was quite quick once they searched him. Its not like he started to heavily resist or anything. He just wasnt happy about it.

 

[The Running Man]

Or was it just because he is black? This is about what happened not could happen under different curcumstances.
I have to say that this is very badly thought out. What do you think should happen here? Should the police be sent out everyday with photos of people not to be stopped? If that was the case I would if I was inclided to commit crime, is get stopped multiple times a week until Im on the list of not to be stopped then Im gonna go on a crime spree.

You keep telling yourself its because the people of the uk are racist, despite research showing that the UK is one of if not the least racist country in the EU (excluding Malta which is basically a UK colony) and therefore the world.

At the end of the day, it appears to be just another crime committed by someone of a diverse ethnicity and a stop and search of another individual matching 3 of the factors of the description and being in the vicinity at the time of the crime.

 

[The Running Man]

Im not blaming the police for anything neither am I accussing this of being wrong.

But come on they stop him and tell him they are looking for someone matching his description as if they couldnt possibly be making it up and he asked for proof. I mean they could see what he was wearing when they pulled him.

Its not like they had a print out of the suspect to show him as proof of what they were saying. They could easily have been making it up.

I dont really get what peoples problem is here It was quite quick once they searched him. Its not like he started to heavily resist or anything. He just wasnt happy about it.

You expect the police to carry mobile printers so they can do a photo fit id of a crime that just happened perhaps minutes before the guy was stopped, using a description extolled verbally by the victim?

Jog on.

 

[Tony Edwards]

You keel telling yourself its because the people of the uk are racist, despite research showing that the UK is one of if not the least racist country in the EU (excluding Malta which is basically a UK colony) and therefore the world.

At the end of the day, it appears to be just another crime committed by someone of a diverse ethnicity and a stop and search of another individual matching 3 of the factors of the description and being in the vicinity at the time of the crime.

No Im not the one that makes this country sound racists its people like you Im afraid. Look there might have been a crime commited or they might have just wanted to do a stop and search and used it as an excuse. How was he to know for sure?

AND NO I DONT THINK THEY SHOULD CARRY PRINTERS.

 

[GGizmo]

Or was it just because he is black? This is about what happened not could happen under different curcumstances.
I have to say that this is very badly thought out. What do you think should happen here? Should the police be sent out everyday with photos of people not to be stopped? If that was the case I would if I was inclided to commit crime, is get stopped multiple times a week until Im on the list of not to be stopped then Im gonna go on a crime spree.

What do you suggest should happen? or do you want stop and search to continue as it is?

 

[Tony Edwards]

What do you suggest should happen? or do you want stop and search to continue as it is?

Im fairly fine with the idea of stop and search if Im honest. Infact ID be happy with a lot more of it but lets not pretend it sometimes isnt just about colour.

Id like to say I have the utmost respect for police officers now as long as they arent also criminals/racist/mysonginist/abusers themself.

I used to hate them with a passion many years ago, but I have reflected on my youth and well, I cant change those things.

 

[2004typer]

It's pretty simple, the fella was in close vicinity to a crime and he matched the description of the offender, so a search was undertaken, police doing their job, not a lot else to say really.

 

[Tony Edwards]

It's pretty simple, the fella was in close vicinity to a crime and he matched the description of the offender, so a search was undertaken, police doing their job, not a lot else to say really.

Exactly. The issue for some in this thread seems to be about the suspect not complying which is weird because Im sure thats not the angle the police were going for.

Although I would add 'the fella was in close vicinity to a crime and he matched the description of the offender' is a bit simplistic.