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I've been waiting for 5000 series launch when the 4000 price/performance was meh(quick refresh, 4080 av at 4k was 51% faster than the 3080 for 100% price increase https://www.techspot.com/review/2569-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080/, not exactly what you're looking for for a new card/architecture/new process etc
So what you're saying is let the retailer scalp to price out the scalpers......doesn't that just mean the end user is still scalped, we just have to feel better about it because the moneys going to the shop/manufacturer and nvidia instead. Isn't that what they did for the 4000 launch anyway after they saw people where buying scalped prices during lockdown....then that just rests the bar for the following launch as the prices get 'normalised'
I doubt very much whether the price to performance is going to get any better.
dunno...performance gains are there to see. 4080 50% performance gain for a die size shrinkage from 628mm2 on 3080 to 379mm2 on 4080 and going from 8nm to 5nm (so they're getting a lot more chips for the same wafer size...it's just after crypto scalping, nvidia decided to massively increase the price and scalp themselves (and it is nvidia, look at EVGA leaving as they were saying there margins are razor thin as nvidia takes all the profit) as seen in profit margin jump. Why scalping is bad imo. gives the manufacturer the idea that it's good and acceptable practice, so everyone did it after covid...leading to massive inflation and everyone becoming poorer in the meantime. Pure and simple greed from the few effecting the many...but here we are
It's just bizarre for retailers to be selling a product for less than people are willing to pay for it. It creates these weird scenarios where scalpers can exist.
Capitalism at it's best. great philosophy..make it so only the wealthy get the pie, and everyone else wait for the scraps...
I'd think only a handful of people will pay the scalper prices, so if you have the stock, but sell it too high in order to maximize as much as possible that profit, you lose business and you don't lose it just for yourself, but for nVIDIA, too. Ergo, why nVIDIA has the power to control the MSRP (at least to some point). You don't play nice now, next time you're gonna probably be out.
The ROG Strix 4090 was over a £2,000 card and it was still very hard to get hold of one
The 4000 series never had stock issues though
AI needs a lot of silicon and a lot of smaller companies buy such GPUs instead of enterprise ones to do AI. These will be the main competition Vs gamers this time, I suspect. Plus, most of the production capacity will go to the enterprise anyway, I recon retail will get scraps in comparison, as that's not where the real money is - Nvidia has orders on production for enterprise for many years to come already.
One problem - the transistor size hasn't changed since about 22nm, anymore. All the current nm numbers are mostly marketing. Process is more accurate, less bad transistors are created, gaps between them are smaller etc. but their sizes do not change almost all all, only shape and exact design does - we already hit physics limitation on the side of transistor size, which is what Nvidia CEO is trying to tell people all the time in interviews but it seems hardly anyone is listening. The last big change between 3k and 4k series was only because they switched from Samsung fabs to TSMC, which uses much better production technology, so the end product is better. Now it will be TSMC Vs TSMC though, so I wouldn't expect miracles.
If they could increase capacity of production they would've already. It's slowly growing but that takes many many years to build up. And then market absorbs it anyway. Apple, if you missed the news, isn't selling the well anymore, as hardly munch change between generations so there's no reason to buy new. Also, their chips are much smaller than fully blown GPU and much cheaper to produce. It's really not a good comparison at all. Plus, GPUs go mostly to enterprise these days, retail indeed gets scraps.
Care to elaborate
