What do you class as a performance car?

The_Dark_Side · 5 May 2006 at 01:24

[TW]Fox said:
S4 =/ RS4. It's tamer than an M3. Performance wise, it's on a par with a 330i.

really?
what are the figures for both cars?
i was under the impression even the older model S4 was quicker than a 330i and that the new model faster again.
:eek:

[TW]Fox · 5 May 2006 at 01:31

The_Dark_Side said:
really?
what are the figures for both cars?
i was under the impression even the older model S4 was quicker than a 330i and that the new model faster again.

From this months Evo... (They actually test most of their times rather than just believe the manufacturer):

Audi S4 01-05: 0-60 5.4 seconds 344bhp 4.2V8

BMW 330i Sport 01-05: 0-60 5.9 seconds 231bhp 3.0 S6

Seems you are right - although in my defence I was thinking of the old shape Audi S4, the 2.7TT. Mind you this is older than the 330i Sport so not strictly a fair comparison.

The_Dark_Side · 5 May 2006 at 01:36

[TW]Fox said:
Seems you are right

i'd like this bit framed please

The_Dark_Side · 5 May 2006 at 01:41

[TW]Fox said:
From this months Evo... (They actually test most of their times rather than just believe the manufacturer):

Audi S4 01-05: 0-60 5.4 seconds 344bhp 4.2V8

BMW 330i Sport 01-05: 0-60 5.9 seconds 231bhp 3.0 S6

Seems you are right - although in my defence I was thinking of the old shape Audi S4, the 2.7TT. Mind you this is older than the 330i Sport so not strictly a fair comparison.

don't you think the 0-60 figures make the gap look smaller than it is in the real world?
do you have the 0-100 times? or midrange in gear acceleration times?

austinpowers · 5 May 2006 at 01:45

Even the older S4 is quicker to 60, not by much mind you..

L0rdMike · 5 May 2006 at 07:18

Mines a performance sports car.

Noxis · 5 May 2006 at 09:41

So whats mine?

Hate · 5 May 2006 at 09:59

mines a performance rally ****.

Freefaller · 5 May 2006 at 09:59

Firestar_3x said:
Not so sure about that, my mx is sub 8 seconds but its not a performance car, its without doubt a sports car, in 'what car' it keeps winning this group test in every year.

The 1.8is apparently hits 60 in 7.7.

I think mine now does it a little bit quicker

I wonder how fast it does do it now? Definitely under 7 I would think.

I think a performance car for me has to have a high bhp/tonne value - in excess of 200 really.

Sports cars != performance cars necessarily, however performance sports cars are were it's at

I think mine is heading towards being a more performance oriented sports car, but I would still class it as a sports car by a long shot.

The old Lotus carlton was the epitome of a performance car.
Tuned Jap cars and other big engine german beasts are most certainly performance cars.

Hate · 5 May 2006 at 10:07

Freefaller said:
I think mine now does it a little bit quicker I wonder how fast it does do it now? Definitely under 7 I would think.

dude, you've blown that much turboing your car - you could at LEAST get a g-meter

Freefaller · 5 May 2006 at 10:43

Hate said:
dude, you've blown that much turboing your car - you could at LEAST get a g-meter

I've got one somewhere I think, just don't have any places to drive quickly - I live in London

I actually have no idea how to use it!

I might read the manual and try it when I get back on my way home from the airport....

Hate · 5 May 2006 at 10:44

im sure you can buy a new magic tree and take it somewhere miles away to "test" it right?

(i've tested new airfreshners on my car quite a bit)

Freefaller · 5 May 2006 at 10:46

Hate said:
im sure you can buy a new magic tree and take it somewhere miles away to "test" it right?

(i've tested new airfreshners on my car quite a bit)

I'm scared I'll get something like 10s

[TW]Fox · 5 May 2006 at 11:06

The_Dark_Side said:
don't you think the 0-60 figures make the gap look smaller than it is in the real world?
do you have the 0-100 times? or midrange in gear acceleration times?

Well don't forget the S4's 0-60 time has an advantage in that it's 4WD so gets off the line quicker - this is the only reason the Impreza Sport, for example, doesnt have a 0-60 time of 4 weeks.

The 330i is listed as 0-100 in 17.0 seconds. No time for the S4 though.

Kingy · 5 May 2006 at 11:12

[TW]Fox said:
Well don't forget the S4's 0-60 time has an advantage in that it's 4WD so gets off the line quicker - this is the only reason the Impreza Sport, for example, doesnt have a 0-60 time of 4 weeks.

While true, IIRC the previous generation S4 (2.7TT) also had a 10% power advantage over the 330i. (265bhp Vs 241bhp(?))

I'd expect the S4 to be quicker to 100 than the 330i.

Mr_Sukebe · 5 May 2006 at 11:24

Freefaller said:
I've got one somewhere I think, just don't have any places to drive quickly - I live in London

Didn't realise you were in the same area as me.
I'm over in Docklands, you?
Fancy meeting up sometime to make me green? I'd love to see what a turbo is like.

Freefaller · 5 May 2006 at 11:57

Mr_Sukebe said:
Didn't realise you were in the same area as me.
I'm over in Docklands, you?
Fancy meeting up sometime to make me green? I'd love to see what a turbo is like.

I live in Dulwich. So not too far. You free this weekend?

I'll drop you an email.

The_Dark_Side · 5 May 2006 at 17:50

[TW]Fox said:
Well don't forget the S4's 0-60 time has an advantage in that it's 4WD so gets off the line quicker - this is the only reason the Impreza Sport, for example, doesnt have a 0-60 time of 4 weeks.

The 330i is listed as 0-100 in 17.0 seconds. No time for the S4 though.

true but i'd also be amazed if both generations of S4 weren't carrying a noticeable weight penalty over the BMW.extra diff's and driveshafts are all heavy extras to bear.
the old S4, being forced induction, i'd expect to be noticeably quicker midrange than the 330i and the new V8 model torquier (sp?) for similar configuration reasons.

realscot · 5 May 2006 at 18:07

[TW]Fox said:
I would say a Performance Car is any car which has performance. I would classy 'Performance' as 0-60 in about 8 seconds or less.

A TDCi focus will do 0-60 in about that and there's no way that's a performance car!

austinpowers · 5 May 2006 at 18:31

[TW]Fox said:
Well don't forget the S4's 0-60 time has an advantage in that it's 4WD so gets off the line quicker - this is the only reason the Impreza Sport, for example, doesnt have a 0-60 time of 4 weeks.

The 330i is listed as 0-100 in 17.0 seconds. No time for the S4 though.

14.8sec to 100mph according to this site.

http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=21780&Audi

What do you class as a performance car?

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