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The margin that Nvidia sell the cpu+ram to the AIB partners compared to the MSRP is rediculously small and Nv have reportedly limited what the AIB can sell these cards at.
Whatever the MSRP is will end up being a myth because Asus/MSi would be selling the cards for less than it costs them to produce and that is why EVGA dumped Nv like a rotten egg. No idea what the cooling solutions will be like with the severe limitations on pricing and cost to build.
It is not a bad piece of silicon, or product if priced well, but Nv are trying to keep prices high to keep the 4080 at its price point and also the 4090 where it is. After the wave of early adopters for this gen all have cards I expect a massive drop in sales. Whether prices come down because of this we will have to wait and see.
Out of all the recent releases this may just be the most misleading. The 3x performance graph vs the 3090ti was laughable.
Whatever the MSRP is will end up being a myth because Asus/MSi would be selling the cards for less than it costs them to produce and that is why EVGA dumped Nv like a rotten egg. No idea what the cooling solutions will be like with the severe limitations on pricing and cost to build.
It is not a bad piece of silicon, or product if priced well, but Nv are trying to keep prices high to keep the 4080 at its price point and also the 4090 where it is. After the wave of early adopters for this gen all have cards I expect a massive drop in sales. Whether prices come down because of this we will have to wait and see.
Out of all the recent releases this may just be the most misleading. The 3x performance graph vs the 3090ti was laughable.
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Yeah that was another laughable graph. They obviously took the worst IGP you can get in a 2022 14" laptop and compared it to a 4070ti with DLSS 3 enabled. You can get a 3070 or 6080 in some 14" laptops and no way a 4070ti is 20 times faster than those even with limited power windows.
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Looks like a good product overall. Am interested in how it performs on power efficiency. Pricing might land in $900-1100 range because there's no Founder's Edition this time around. So not a great purchase but an interesting product. I reckon power efficiency is going to be off the charts with this one
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I guess we all have to be limit our expectations, because it's only what they promised, e.g. 'Ampere Next'.
I don't understand why people keep ignoring the important details that the companies tell us about future products.
In many ways, it's an iterative improvement on the last gen, not a leap in performance. What this apparently means in practice, is that you only get an improvement in performance if you spend more money on a higher tier product.
It's disappointing that the main feature (frame generation) isn't going to made available to all games, unless someone figures out a way to do that (e.g. modded drivers).
It's also disappointing that they haven't tuned or binned the silicon to boost to higher frequencies, on the AD104 die GPUs (released so far).
I don't understand why people keep ignoring the important details that the companies tell us about future products.
In many ways, it's an iterative improvement on the last gen, not a leap in performance. What this apparently means in practice, is that you only get an improvement in performance if you spend more money on a higher tier product.
It's disappointing that the main feature (frame generation) isn't going to made available to all games, unless someone figures out a way to do that (e.g. modded drivers).
It's also disappointing that they haven't tuned or binned the silicon to boost to higher frequencies, on the AD104 die GPUs (released so far).
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450w performance at 285w isn't what I would call an iterative improvement. And then the additional icing of dlss3 and improved rt perf squarely place this generation on the pedestal of the largest generational leap in recent memory. Not pocket friendly though
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I looked up leaked timespy extreme benchmarks.. it's a 3090 ti at 285w TDP. And I feel it will beat the 3090 ti in native RT. Realistic usecases (rt+dlss) will overwhelmingly favor the 4070 ti. How they got here, the core count logistics etc. don't matter. The additional ram modules too can't explain the difference. in power efficiency. It's going to be a sought after laptop chip assuming the laptop variant isn't ridiculously priced as well. Overall a great showcase of Nvidia's capabilities.
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Are you judging that based on DLSS marketing, when the RTX 3000 and RTX 2000 series already have DLSS 2.0?
It's important to make a distinction between DLSS and frame generation - which tbf, Nvidia is doing a good job in conflating.
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I currently have a 2060 super and I game at 1080p.
I play battlefield 2042 but can only play on high settings. If I put ultra settings it can dip below 60 Frames per second.
Is it worth upgrading to a 4070ti to be able to play battlefield at ultra settings? Perhaps better to wait for 4070 which will hopefully have a better price to performance ratio?
I’m not too impressed with the starting price tag of $799 for the 4070 ti.
I play battlefield 2042 but can only play on high settings. If I put ultra settings it can dip below 60 Frames per second.
Is it worth upgrading to a 4070ti to be able to play battlefield at ultra settings? Perhaps better to wait for 4070 which will hopefully have a better price to performance ratio?
I’m not too impressed with the starting price tag of $799 for the 4070 ti.
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I expect this card to lose to the 3090ti as the 4080 12gb did in each of the 3 benchmarks nvidia shown, in one of the 3 it was just 11% faster than the 3080.
Using frame generated FPS numbers in the marketing doesn't surprise me, but it does disappoint me. Its one step off just spoofing the frame counter.
Marketing around DLSS in general has always been questionable as for my money the thing its best for is taking a sub par gaming experience and improving it. Frame generation could be very useful if used for that, I'd certainly prefer a 50fps game with DLSS and frame gen than a 25 fps native. But that doesn't help sell £1600+ GPUs. So instead we get lies and ******** and unfortunately people are going to fall for it
Marketing around DLSS in general has always been questionable as for my money the thing its best for is taking a sub par gaming experience and improving it. Frame generation could be very useful if used for that, I'd certainly prefer a 50fps game with DLSS and frame gen than a 25 fps native. But that doesn't help sell £1600+ GPUs. So instead we get lies and ******** and unfortunately people are going to fall for it
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Not at all based on that single requirement. Ultra will likely see no noticeable difference in quality.
I think it was Hardware Unboxed showed that in many games the ultra setting was just a waste of power.
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I would find it difficult to even stomach £550. I can't see why this card is more than £450. I suppose that's just an impossible dream now, and of course I could accept some "outrageous", but no way can I accept the almost double that amount that the partner cards are going to be. I used to update frequently but NVIDIA and AMD are just pricing me out.
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It's losing to the 3090ti in leaked tspy benchmarks but the difference is marginal and i think you could slot both cards in same tier..excited abt reviews
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Remember the 3090ti launched with no MSRP and buyers have been burned very badly. The 4070Ti MSRP is fake too. (The FE will be $799 as NV are controlling there own costs) The AMD MBA 7900XTX has gone up in price too now no one wants them!
I think it's a £500 card but given the state of... everything I could see it being sold at £600 at a push. £800-900 is just pure greed from nvidia.
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